Fine, Erion, let's let PK stay off prime. But then we need to make sure people aren't forced to go off prime if they don't want to engage in unregulated PK, because Avechna is even more one of Lusternia's selling points. (Check the front page of Lusternia's website if you don't believe me. Avenger Justice is on the list. Off-prime PK isn't.) Can't have it both ways.

Who here is FORCED to go to Celestia/Nil/Ethereal/Astral/elementals?

Play the Celestine Ur'Guard - shock troops for keeping villages in line.

And, if you ask people like Amaru, it's the lax Justice and off-plane PK that probably both lured and keep him here.

No one is forced to, but you try RPing a decent Moondancer who doesn't care about the Fae.

Then you take it tongue in cheek.

God. Just shut UP.

Love you too.

Why does that seem somehow sexual coming from you? Maybe I'm just fantasing.

You're wierd. Can't I use one cliche, without being taken in a sexual manner?

Everyone who harvests herbs or poisons.
Everyone who roleplays committing to... well, anything, really, since every nation has something off-Prime it has to defend.
Everyone who wants to hunt, once they pass level 70.
Everyone who wants to gain explorer ranks.
Everyone who wants to gather power for their nexus at more than a dribble.

In short, everyone; with a few exceptions, like the people who only want to craft, or have MUDsex, or spar in the arena, or novice-aide. Otherwise, either you have to go off-Prime, or you will have to go off-Prime later.

Let's just hope more hunting areas are put in soon. The catacombs is nowhere near as good as Astral by the way.

No, you have to go off plane to harvest certain herbs - I've seen quite a few people offering corpses for poisoners.
As was the Seren arguement for a long time about wisp - got a problem, stay out of the demesne. Don't want to die? Stay off the plane.
You're not forced to hunt, now are you? For the most part, the extreme astral bashers have conglute anyway. Or lich. And Astral's supposed to be a lawless, dangerous place. Why would PK rules really be put into affect there?
Nexus power gains from power quests (Especially in Magnagora) are far superior to essence bashing! Unless you, like, can actually bash, and have all Lords/Ladies w/ essence.

Really, the Avenger system in and of itself is non-linear. Avechna stated, clearly, in the histories that he did not care about mortal affairs. At all. Remember? That's why he didn't stop Ladantine from attacking Old Celest.

Yes, yes I am. And no.

Erm....

Goodnight to all and to all a goodnight (mornig...almost 2 am...sleep now)

If there's more reason to PvP on the planes (and by reason I mean goals to achieve, not stuff to scare us away from prime. That won't make the planes more attractive, just make the rest less attractive) then that would take some PvP off prime without having to make punishments for PK there any worse. Karma has already gotten pretty ridiculous as is.

I'm not so sure about the karma system. It's supposed to protect the non-combatants, or so I thought. During influencing, Jadryga and Alger were sure to karma curse about 5 people (including me) prior to just to give us a harder time and it definitely worked. Typically, one wouldn't have enough karma to do that to so many people at once, but they worked it out.

Jello, they want Avenger/Karma to extend to off-prime, as well. That's what I'm argueing against.

Go look at Daevos' thread on village influencing, I think he has it sorted.

Iunno. I guess if it works, good. If it doesn't, find something else. Some things may or may not work on paper, but operate differently when put to work.. Shrug.

See what I mean about pointless posts? After reading that, I knew nothing more than before I read it. Your post count is high enough now, give us a break.

Shh. Would you like me to slap a on it, for fun? I actually had something meaningful to say, then I got a phone call, and totally lost the train of thought.

Inasmuch as you can run a poisons trade at all, you can't run it that way.



That was not the Seren argument. If it was someone's argument, they were wrong. I have argued often here that "leave" is not in any way a viable counter to complaints about desmenses.



You're not forced to even log in. Point?



If Magnagora's local power quests are better than their off-Prime ones, good on them. In Serenwilde, all we can pull is 2 power per pixie. Coning is a little better; essence and Manifestations better still; but fae is the best way to gain power at a reasonable rate (that an individual can do). All of these are off-Prime.



I'm not saying they should. I'm not sure why I'm having so much trouble expressing this. I would rather leave Astral as it is, and then provide some other opportunities to do the things one goes to Astral for now. If Astral is supposed to be about being lawless and free PK, let it. Don't also make it simultaneously serve an entirely orthogonal purpose as the only viable high-level hunting ground in a game where hunting is the only viable way to gain levels and therefore health and such. Trying to fit it into two completely uncorrelated purposes is what causes the problem. It can be either one just fine, it just can't be both; and the same thing applies to every off-Prime activity that is more than just a minor easily-ignored feature of the world.

Incidentally, I'm not advocating making Avechna protect all the planes. I'm advocating making it possible for a person to obtain Avechna's protection for a month, perhaps by a quest or by the expenditure of karma, even when off-plane. (And naturally a way to tell who has such protection.)