*chuckle* Muns, you still running around yelling things at people? Tsk tsk *poke*

Ah yes. I forget I thought by raiding she meant actually doing something other than trying to goad people out of Glomdoring so they can get suspect for killing her. My bad. I apologize.

Back to the topic.. People hate it cept for the random Serenwilder

Remind me not to read threads like this while I'm at work. I just started laughing at a certain person for inducing so much conflict into this thread so quickly. And my supervisor's looking at me strangely.

Look, we don't all want to have bloody, drawn-out PK-fests all the time. Some of us are planting totems, working on combat training, and so on. Some of our culture involves interacting with our Avatars in a certain way that might seem stupid to you. Fighting outside the arena in a place where we all can conglutinate and lose like 2% experience might seem stupid to you. But that's what we're doing.

Either, Glomdoring will find a place in the world where the people in it will have fun RP-ing in a certain way, and the people against it will have fun RP-ing against them, or it'll just stay as this bitter conflict that has people insulting each other in an OOC forum, and then people will just give up and leave and it'll be Celest+Seren vs Magnagora forever and ever until we all grow old and die.

But not all of us are really just a bunch of assholes out to PeeKay all the Serens. We're just trying to build up our commune, figure out our culture, and do our power quests to get a nice big nexus like everybody else.

Happy? now get on with your lives

Down with Glomdoring

I wish Maeve would declare permanent loyalty to Mother Moon and that the fae of Faethorn could be free to romp around happily forevermore. Who wants to be bound in shadow anyhow?

And ugh, those archways. We should start a poll gauging everyone's opinion on them. Should they stay or go? They're such a hinderance.

Well, Malicia. You know how Munsia said she hasn't entered and yelled anything in a while?

Please realize that practice ceased when the archways went up. That right there is a darn good reason for having them.

Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
An’ if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know

actually I stopped yelling when you put guards up

Er. How is that any different than now? Maeve has so far declared permanent loyalty to Moon, and the fae are pretty free to romp around.

But the shadows are like, cool. The fae are just resistant to change. Once they're dead and bound, they'll realize that they like the shadows much more. Just give them a chance.

And ummm... isn't it natural for Night to have hold sometimes, instead of Moon? Nature's balance and all that?

No. God forbid we should ever try to take away Malicia's excuse to mindlessly PK and raid.

A bit ...

So... -is- everyone enjoying the conflict? Or do you find it too tiring to constantly war?

Just look at the poll results, crazy.

It's not a constant war, really. Unless a member of Glomdoring wants to go to another plane for any reason. And as long as we don't mind losing the power quest every single time it comes up.

I just thank the Gods there's not something like there is in the sea battles, where after the battle is won, either side can then do further quests to destroy the other's nexus. Otherwise we'd never have any power.

And, of course, depending on how much we beg the Serens "Please please please, may I go bash elemental/Astral, sirs?" we can still go bashing.

Yes, it's quite fun to have to be at the mercy of other players to hunt anything more difficult than rockeaters. And it's quite fun to have the equivalent of pixies are our best feasible power quest (there would also be essence but... whoops, have to pay the Seren toll to get to other planes).

And it's tons of fun to have the rest of the world mock and insult you despite the fact that you're doing the best you can only to be shut down by the above points.

Somehow I still am having fun, but only when I ignore the "conflict". I tried to get involved in the conflict once, all sneaky like, but then it turned into a huge battle involving every combatant in the realm, I died several non-congluting deaths in enemy territory, and got insulted/threatened over tells.

No thanks.

Everyone in Glomdoring who's not a raw newbie can instantly sprint to and transverse at the archways.

And don't even try the "well, it's natural to have a balance." Serenwilde is not about balance, it's about Serenwilde.

Actually you cant do that anymore if we are camping out then we have blockers or briars up and if its my demesne briars are up 60% of the time even if im not camping

Yes, I was rather joking about the balance. If I thought anyone in the Serenwilde was interested in balance or fairness, I'd have to have my head examined :duck:

EDIT: And yes, congratulations to Munsia on finding even more restrictive ways to keep anyone from Glomdoring from doing anything once they hit level 25. That'll keep them players interested.

Could we please stop the bitching? Particularly the bitching comming from / towards Munsia. Granted, she can be annoying as hell if she wants to, as she is aware I'm sure, and Lommy hates her IC, but enough is enough k?

Then, regarding the treaty thing.. having been on both sides of the conflict now, I can say this... the treaty failed because

A) Gregori has a habit of keeping things secret where he shouldn't, or at least he had while I was part of the moonhart circle, which means alot of Serens aren't really aware of what's precisely going on, which means people act against what would be in the interest of the commune in the end.

Both sides usually have a couple people who give a steaming crap about whatever orders they get and still go be naughty if they feel like it.

C) People simply don't expect treaties like this to work. The moment anyone suggests having a treaty, rather than thinking whether they could actually get that to work, people will already have decided for themselves how many days they give the attempts to maintain peace till it is broken by the other side, which means as soon as there's the faintest rumor of someone having done something that could be considered a violation of the treaty-to-be, they throw in a big chunk of revenge, the other side sees it and reacts alike, bye bye treaty. And because nobody knew what exactly was going on, both sides are 100% convinced the other side broke the treaty and turn brickheaded within moments. That goes for either side. It's been like that with pretty much -every- treaty I've been involved in in Lusternia so far, and there have been a decent bunch. About the only treaty that did work for a while was the early Seren-Mag one, which was mainly because of Nikua and Chade having a firm grip and crunching down on whoever acted up.

Anyway.

*rub back-to-topic-tarot* *fling card at thread* *lots of technicolour* *pouff*

here we go.

Now, the Faethorn conflict...
I personally voted Yes, I do enjoy it.

However, I see why my opinion is not necessarily representative...
- I'm pretty tanky, I usually can get away if I really try
- I have conglutinate, which is A BIG anti-depressivum in conflicts like this
- I actually do enjoy running into Faethorn any time I can with my eyes almost popping out from watching out for Elryn and Munsia and Laysus and everyone else like nuts... (On that note, I can confirm all three of them do spend significant amounts of time on Ethereal, as they've both made my roleplay pretty tough)

However, even I personally start disliking it. That is, partially, because we've gotten to the point where Serenwilde will stay camped outside "our" archway, making it totally impossible for alleged fae-killers like Lommy to pass through Faethorn to hunt on Astral. Of course, I see why they do that, and they're right with Lommy of course, I would do the exact same thing if it was the other way round. Elryn jumps me once in a while at the Ravenwood in dreamform, most of the times after I for once HAVEN't been sneaking around in Faethorn, which ticks off Lommy big time but amuses me alot OOCly. Sorry if it is frustrating you so much Elryn (and all others for that matter)

And, of course, one main irritation for me is that the entire conflict is in fact too heavily in favour for Serenwilde, as others pointed out before.
They don't have to raise fake forest like we have to before they can use forest-only kinds of abilities, they don't have to get themselves enemied to Faethorn whereas we HAVE to, they can cook their own cakes which means they can gather fae significantly faster than us, without having to worry about guards 'cause they don't get enemied anyway... Etc. I mean, I don't really have a problem with it being easier for the Serens per-se... I think it's a bit too easy but that's beside the point. The main problem is just that I don't see how we're supposed to ever actually win this conflict (for a while). And if we do, the gain seems very marginal to me, even if it's great for us RP-wise.

But, as others have said, we can't really just drop the whole operation Faethorn, it's part of our roleplay, pretty much the major part of it in fact. I'm all for settling down first and getting our blades sharpened if you so wish, most of all because things frustrate everyone so much right now apparently, but it's pretty unlikely it'll happen.

That said, where was my point again? Ah yes. I'd like to see three things...

First, I agree that Faethorn should be changed into a neutral type of forest, so both sides have to raise fake forest before they can use forest-only abilities, and whoever holds Faethorn gets it changed to "their" type of forest to make defending easier.

Second, I like the idea someone had involving all three guilds with different tasks, so the warriors can fight, the wiccans can ritual and the druids can... whatever they like.

Three, I'd like to see Faethorn get auto-conglutination added, so the frustration factor doesn't weigh down so heavily on whichever side has the least people with trans planar.

I'm not really for getting rid of the fighting altogether, as I said, I personally do enjoy it, I don't like seeing it turn into the big frustration for everyone though. I think if we can get these three things done, we're at a good start...

Munsia, if you keep demesne-wide briars up, I'm going to be seriously tempted to cdf you for hindering the defense of Faethorn.

OOC, if they can get through, good for them. I'm not going to let them through, but I'm not going to go out of my way to screw them. You shouldn't either.