One of the things that discourages me, and probably a lot of others, from being very involved in pk is the experience loss. This has been established. A lot. But what if you could get a def for 100 karma that eliminates/greatly reduces the loss of experience during the next time you pray for salvation? Any thoughts or variations?

I'd be all for it if it costed less karma.

Maybe 15%? 20%?

I think it has to cost a lot of karma, otherwise everyone would have it, and no one would ever lose big experience, which I think would be bad for the game. I really dont think it should cost less then a blessing.

I'm all for 75 to 100 karma cost. 15 to 20% is way too easy to get, anyone that bashes Astral for more than an hour or two could easily get that much.

Exactly, Terenas.

That's the idea!

300 mobs in 2 hours? Hrm...
Idea itself is rather interesting.

It's around 5 to 6 for one karma, 15 to 20 is 75 to 120. I get 2% karma for just one manifestation.

By the way, I'm not kidding about the 20% thing, I think there should really be some way to drasitcally lesson the effects of it for everyone.

5 to 6 for one karma? I pity you, I get 1 karma per 3 astral mobs. And 4 per 9 when sanctifying

That's a rough estimate, it depends on the level of the mobs so it varies. I usually just spam offering anyway and pay attention to the total karma, but nonetheless, it still is very easy to get 15 to 20% karma. For such a benefit as eliminating/reducing experience lost it should cost a good bit of karma, not so little.

Having a high karma cost would make it hard for people who can't get to astral, either through lack of Astrogate (or Nexus) or lack of levels, to get and maintain this blessing. As it is, I have to choose between gold (selling krokani) and karma (offering krokani) while bashing, and the really small karma gain isn't all that appealing.

I wasn't talking about it being a blessing. A one time huge price, and you have the defense until you pray. And getting 100 karma is definately achievable to those who can't bash astral. I've gotten 50% karma over the past few real days without killing anything on astral other then the occational killing of the 5 lobstrosities that periodically respawn. Its doable. Even if astral does give an advantage, its supposed to be a high risk/high gain area.

Hmm... how about tying it into harmony blessing/curse?
Reduced exp loss (less drastic) for the blessing apon death.
And greater exp loss on death for curse?

I don't like it, mainly because I never get that blessing.

That makes the Harmony curse/blessing totally cruddy/overpowered. Everyone would get the harmony blessing just to not have to put up with as much exp loss, and everyone would give the harmony curse just to piss people off.

And people who lack levels are not particularly ones who'd need such a blessing/defence most, in general.

You can get 100 karma EXTREMELY easy - do a few back-to-back honors quests, where you're getting 10-20% karma each time. Quests like Shanthmark will get you even *more* karma, due to the nature of it.

Hmmm... intriguing. I must attempt these "honors quests" of which you speak. *wanders off to find some crystals*

I like the original idea -but- I have stipulation: It only goes into effect during the next time you die to a player not a mob.