So does the wisp and flow change mean Serenwilde can't use those skills in faethorn, or only Glomdoring can't?

Only Glomdoring, until they demesne.

Heh, it's like they want Glomdoring to fail.

Faethorn is the realm of the fae, hence natural forest.

Not sure why that would change.

Because it's unbalanced? Faethorn should be neutral, neither side should have an inherent advantage and now that's what Serenwilde has in it.

Bah, I wanted to pre-empt comments like that. No, this doesn't work. It's not like Glomdoring has any harder of a time to taint cleansed forest than Serenwilde does restoring it, so if you try to compare the two, yes, Seren had the ORIGINAL advantage way back in time, but after that the only thing making Seren have any more of an advantage is the year-long period or so demesnes can be held before they start to vanish. And as Glomdoring due to their GENERAL military weakness has been unable to retain demesne in Faethorn this long to begin with, this obviously doesn't matter. It's entirely equal.

Shiri has a good point, but I agree Glomdoring is at a disadvantage in some areas and for the sake of the game it should be balanced overall.

I just think it is ridiculous NOT to expect that Serenwilde would have at least an environmental advantage in Faethorn, however. They're on the side of the Fae, Glomdoring seek to destroy them.

Yeah, I talked about the disadvantage they DO have in the other thread about balance, although I would rather kill something than have to do a quest to get hold of it. MUCH MUCH easier. Worse consequences if it goes wrong though.

Besides, we really DON'T have an advantage in Faethorn. It's entirely illusory. It LOOKS like we have an advantage because the place is readily meldable by default but as I just explained it doesn't really work that way.

And hey, it's almost freaking impossible to get the damnable songbird because it's in Etherglom.

They should make Infest and the Hartstone equivilent powerless - it's not forced, it just changes an already forested room infested forest. The ab file doesn't say there's a power cost, but there is. It's just 1, but still. It would be a quick fix to problems like this.


That said, I'm glad they finally did this.

Agreeing with Shiri. There is no actual advantage in Faethorn. They can control it just as easily as we can - it costs them 1 power to infest it, it cost us 1 power to purify it. Same power spent in the end, thus, no advantage.

Not really. Because:

Faethorn. Hartstone meld/flow/wisp - 0 power setting up forest-type

Blacktalon - infest, 1 power.

Hartstone - purify, 1 power.

Back at square one, where, if the BT want to flow/wisp, they need to infest. They'll innately be disadvantaged. By 1 whole power. Who cares?

Then again, Faethorn should be labeled Fae-Forest - both sides can meld, flow, and wisp. Bam. It's Maeve's forest, it is a mix of the Seren, Glom, and Ackleberry.

Please no, we've already diluted nature in lusternia enough as it is.

Yes really because:

Glom takes control, costs them 87 power
Seren takes control back, costs them 87 power
Glom takes control back, 87 power
Seren takes control back, 87 power

We -had- the advantage for the first 10 minutes, but, now, it is NO different than if Serenwilde had controled it and had it all forested. Because even if Seren DID have to go through and forest it all back then, Glom would STILL have to infest so they could flow and wisp and all that other stuff.

At this point in the conflict, it is just as if we had forested it all, because we have control, and if it wasn't outr type of forest, it WOULD be forested, and the place has been infested/purified so many times, it might as well not even be naturally pure, because we've both spent equal ammounts of power.

Moral of the story - Seren has an advantage ONLY because they control it. If GLom every takes control, it will be FULLY infested and Seren will be in the SAME position. Therefore, BALANCE and NO advantage

As Estarra or Viravain pointed out - how is Glomdoring NOT Nature? Okay, so they follow the more death/decay aspect - it's still a part of nature.

I don't want to debate it, I just don't want it to happen.

Jairdan said it best. The Gods don't have it out for Glomdoring.

Noooo.....

It takes Serenwilde ZERO power to meld it first.... thats where the problem lies.

Nyla.. don't be stupid..

it took us zero power to meld it THE FIRST TIME.. once it was EVER tainted EVER flooded EVER infested.. that "advantage" ceased to exist because we then had to purify it.

Serenwilde has control, so, if we HAD to spend power to forest it, it WOULD be forested, and it would take us ZERO power to meld it. THere is no current advantage. Get over it.

I do see a number of disadvantages Glomdoring have mechanistically, and these may need to either be addressed or balanced out. I believe, however, that changing the nature of the Fae/Faethorn is not the answer.

What if the major component of Glomdoring's side of the quest was inside Glomdoring, with only optional forays into Faethorn to steal Fae?

Edit: And there are problems with the idea that now things are underway, melding is equally possible on all sides. For one, any mage other than a Hartstone druid who dissolves their demesne in Faethorn will revert the area back to natural forest.