Laysus2005-06-17 15:34:39
Ethelon: Gonna respond to Ibby's comment about the bird?
Erion2005-06-17 15:46:53
QUOTE(Ethelon @ Jun 17 2005, 11:26 AM)
Erion, how long has it EVER been under our demesne? Do you know how hard it is to do this if they have ANY one up there defending now? You have a druid, get up there and prove me wrong. Prove your theory please.
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If it was naturally ours, they could simply meld it and we'd be in the EXACT situation. If we went through and infested everything, the ONLY difference would be there is now a little line. If they changed the WHOLE place to arrid desert, and we went through and darkforested it, and the serens went through and pureforested it, we'd be in the EXACT SAME SITUATION.
That's the arguement, as far as a lot of us can tell. Even if it was infested naturally, you're right, they would quickly purify everything. And we'd be square one again.
Ethelon2005-06-17 15:48:29
QUOTE(Laysus @ Jun 17 2005, 11:34 AM)
Ethelon: Gonna respond to Ibby's comment about the bird?
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Just saw it, well, guess that does suck for you all now that Serpent has been shafted. Still doesn't make it any easier for gathering Champions for us since it's far harder to travel Faethorn now. Hell, I can't even go bashing anymore since the changes unless it's empty up there or I wait around at the Megalith for a ride. These changes with Ethereal have been getting worse and worse and just ruining everything in my opinion. If the entire council hadn't been behind Nayl for Marshall, I would have dropped Champion and gone for that and just bash since PK has become poitless for me anymore.
Unknown2005-06-17 16:13:25
On topic: Wisp and Flow were okay before, I didn't really -mind- them working in each other's forests. However, the change is nice, no more accidental flows, no more listening to people whine (on both sides) about people flowing in and out of battle and so on.
And forgive my previous sarcasm, Ethelon, but as you see this great imbalance with the demesne issue, I see one with the the stupid bird, as I like to call it. I think in the long run, as Glomdoring grows stronger, the demense imbalance will diminish, and the stupid bird imbalance will escalate.
And forgive my previous sarcasm, Ethelon, but as you see this great imbalance with the demesne issue, I see one with the the stupid bird, as I like to call it. I think in the long run, as Glomdoring grows stronger, the demense imbalance will diminish, and the stupid bird imbalance will escalate.
Narsrim2005-06-17 16:16:53
To all those unaware, there is a piece of Maeve's scepter in Ethereal Glomdoring. There is NOT a piece a in Ethereal Serenwilde. As a result, Glomdoring has MASSIVE advantage in the quest because someone now has to -walk- through a totem and 25 guards (it can be done but it isn't easy) to complete the quest. On the flip side, Serenwilde has a base advantage in Faethorn with melding. I'd say its fair.
Ethelon2005-06-17 16:38:54
How often is the Quest having to be done?
Edit: I'm talking for general battle on Faethorn, or just converting the Fae. Unless we enemy EVERY member of Serenwilde, they can still sneak a novice in there to grab the bird for the quest.
Edit: I'm talking for general battle on Faethorn, or just converting the Fae. Unless we enemy EVERY member of Serenwilde, they can still sneak a novice in there to grab the bird for the quest.
Narsrim2005-06-17 16:43:12
QUOTE(Ethelon @ Jun 17 2005, 12:38 PM)
How often is the Quest having to be done?
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Everytime Serenwilde loses the battle of the champions. At which point, Serenwilde has to endanger itself 100x more than Glomdoring has to at any point.
Ethelon2005-06-17 16:46:22
You can easily use a Novice or spy within our Commune to gather the bird for you. It still changes nothing of the fact Serenwilde has the greatest advantage in Faethorn now. And considering it's far harder for Glomdoring to gather Fae now, how often do you see us having more Champions?
Unknown2005-06-17 16:49:31
See, we'll never win the battle, because it's so insanely difficult to get into Faethorn to get Fae, and even more difficult and frusterating to have them slain in about 60 seconds.
EDIT: The champions raised, that is. Sorry.
EDIT: The champions raised, that is. Sorry.
Erion2005-06-17 16:50:25
QUOTE(Etanru @ Jun 17 2005, 12:49 PM)
See, we'll never win the battle, because it's so insanely difficult to get into Faethorn to get Fae, and even more difficult and frusterating to have them slain in about 60 seconds.
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This is going to be MUCH harder now, 'cause they can't serpent past the guards. And it's NOT hard to get into Faethorn - do you realize how long I've sat at Maeve with Erion? Quite a while, often times AFK.
Narsrim2005-06-17 17:04:40
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 12:50 PM)
This is going to be MUCH harder now, 'cause they can't serpent past the guards. And it's NOT hard to get into Faethorn - do you realize how long I've sat at Maeve with Erion? Quite a while, often times AFK.
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Well said.
Erion2005-06-17 17:09:08
Honestly, Glom has *SO* much to gain from this. You're all "OMGOMGOMGOMTHISISGOINGTOMAKEITIMPOSSIBLE". But it's not. enter archway;forestcast infest. Bam. They can't wisp. nw;forestcast infest. Again. se;ne;forestcast infest. OMGOMGOMGOMGTHEIRWISPISOVERPOWEREDCAN'TTOUCHMEOMGOMG... =\\ See my point?
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
Narsrim2005-06-17 17:13:26
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 01:09 PM)
Honestly, Glom has *SO* much to gain from this. You're all "OMGOMGOMGOMTHISISGOINGTOMAKEITIMPOSSIBLE". But it's not. enter archway;forestcast infest. Bam. They can't wisp. nw;forestcast infest. Again. se;ne;forestcast infest. OMGOMGOMGOMGTHEIRWISPISOVERPOWEREDCAN'TTOUCHMEOMGOMG... =\\ See my point?
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
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Well, I'm known for my creativity and my bag of tricks has quite a reputation. I can still waltz into Glomdoring and do what I gotta do... but it is -far nastier- than before when I could just walk in and out with no worries whatsoever. It is not impossible in the same light that it is not impossible for Glomdoring to gather Fae. Glomdoring's 'true' problem is that most of the Commune are wusses or just plain stupid (no offense). I have literally walked right past people without shroud, murdering tainted Fae (who call out for help on Shadowdancers GT)... and not only did they not say anything, they didn't even attempt to lift a finger. It was like I wasn't there... or sometimes people (Lyth for example) refuse to attack me because they don't want to lose 1% if they die in home turf. That's just sad.
Erion2005-06-17 17:15:36
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Jun 17 2005, 01:13 PM)
Well, I'm known for my creativity and my bag of tricks has quite a reputation. I can still waltz into Glomdoring and do what I gotta do... but it is -far nastier- than before when I could just walk in and out with no worries whatsoever. It is not impossible in the same light that it is not impossible for Glomdoring to gather Fae. Glomdoring's 'true' problem is that most of the Commune are wusses or just plain stupid (no offense). I have literally walked right past people without shroud, murdering tainted Fae (who call out for help on Shadowdancers GT)... and not only did they not say anything, they didn't even attempt to lift a finger.
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I keep intending to buy some pretty boys and put them at the entrance, in hopes they'll distract you long enough for the guards to make quick work of you
Narsrim2005-06-17 17:17:13
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 01:15 PM)
I keep intending to buy some pretty boys and put them at the entrance, in hopes they'll distract you long enough for the guards to make quick work of you
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That reminds me, I need to start bashing some Glomdoring guards.
Thorgal2005-06-17 17:27:44
Doesn't infested forest spread to surrounding forest automatically, infesting it as well, without the need for active infesting by a blacktalon?
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
Narsrim2005-06-17 17:28:56
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Jun 17 2005, 01:27 PM)
Doesn't infested forest spread to surrounding forest automatically, infesting it as well, without the need for active infesting by a blacktalon?
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
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I hope not because that gives Blacktalon in general a huge advantage over Hartstone. How would that work with melds? You infest for 1p, it breaks ~5 rooms?
Erion2005-06-17 17:31:47
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Jun 17 2005, 01:27 PM)
Doesn't infested forest spread to surrounding forest automatically, infesting it as well, without the need for active infesting by a blacktalon?
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
Or is that feature not implemented yet...I could swear I saw it somewhere..
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No, the locusts just burrow into the ground. Someone suggested all forms of force- cast do it. I totally disagree, and I think it was ignored.
Ethelon2005-06-17 18:39:38
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 01:09 PM)
Honestly, Glom has *SO* much to gain from this. You're all "OMGOMGOMGOMTHISISGOINGTOMAKEITIMPOSSIBLE". But it's not. enter archway;forestcast infest. Bam. They can't wisp. nw;forestcast infest. Again. se;ne;forestcast infest. OMGOMGOMGOMGTHEIRWISPISOVERPOWEREDCAN'TTOUCHMEOMGOMG... =\\ See my point?
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
And, as I said before. It's irrelevant what it's natural state is anymore. If it was NATURALLY tainted, it would just be purified 24/7, like the Glom was, back when Guido and Jack and Erion started up.
This, coupled with the *BUG FIX* on Serpent, makes attempts like Narsrim's far more difficult. I believe a far-heal squad needs to be in the same area, as well - meaning he can't just enter archway and have a bunch of people healing him, for his serpent to reset. And even then, as long as some of the guards chase (double the numbers, half chase, half don't), and he'll be screwed.
Honestly - give it a chance =\\
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Erion, you are a nobody to them anymore, not even worth killing since you don't do anything. Start hunting the Fae and they will start attacking you. Not to mention, Everytime I've been up there and seen you, not once was it within Faethorn. You still refuse to listen to my points and just keep going blah, blah ,blah about all we need to do is infest. What if they have the Demesne looped and the Entrance area isn't an End...how are you to destroy it easily then? This was where we would flow and try to take down the Demesne owner so it can be handled, which is now not possible...
Daganev2005-06-17 18:42:31
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jun 17 2005, 03:14 AM)
Bah, I wanted to pre-empt comments like that. No, this doesn't work. It's not like Glomdoring has any harder of a time to taint cleansed forest than Serenwilde does restoring it, so if you try to compare the two, yes, Seren had the ORIGINAL advantage way back in time, but after that the only thing making Seren have any more of an advantage is the year-long period or so demesnes can be held before they start to vanish. And as Glomdoring due to their GENERAL military weakness has been unable to retain demesne in Faethorn this long to begin with, this obviously doesn't matter. It's entirely equal.
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As a demense decays over time a Moondancer will have the advantage over a Shadowdancer.
