Ok let me explain this one more time.


Ethelon can not go up to faethorn and use his skills wisp and flow WITHOUT a Blacktalon... Narsrim Can.


And with Faethorn starting off as neutral, Serenwilde had to make the sceptre, to own faethorn thats it, Glomdoring has to wait for the battle cylce to begin to take faethorn.

glomdoring does not need to 'figure' out the quest other than to know how to stop serenwilde from doing it.

And, Rhayni's right. We will have to win twice to get it. Once to get it nuetral, and once again for the win. And, when we win, they'll have to win it twice.

Oh well. EVENTUALLY, WE WILL WIN. EVENTUALLY. WE. WILL. WIN. And we'll have that same advantage.

You're right. And I'll go through, taint it all, and then Narsrim can't wisp without a hartstone!

They don't have to win twice, they only have to win once to make it neutral again, and then use the Sceptre.

Look at a map. I can meld a ring around the edge of ethereal, and avoide melding Fun little spirals and Backwards avenue, and it will be unbreakable except at the two rooms bordering Backwards avenue.

It will be *EXACTLY* the same for them when Glom has Faethorn.

If Narsrim waits a few days he can use his skills without a hartstone member.

I do not believe you are correct. We were told to not worry about the scepter at all as it has no use for us.

You can't meld a ring. You have to meld a broken ring. Or a horse shoe. The ends cannot meet, anywhere. Looking at this map, you would have to leave.. Your archway, the room sw s se of it, all rooms s of the sw and se from that room, and se from the sw side, sw from the se side. The entire middle would have to be unmelded. Or melded by someone else. You could meld a few of those rooms, but very, very few.

Sigh. You have a different quest in place of the sceptre, maybe. But it's the same. Just because you've got ham instead of turkey doesn't mean there's not two pieces of bread on the outside. >.<

At least, this is what I've been told from people who've been involved in this far more than I.

I'm not the most knowledgable on quests, but can't you guys use the sceptre too? And if not, why?

It was fairly explicitly said by Estarra on these forums that glomdoring has to win the fight twice while Serenwilde wins the fight and uses the scepter.

We can't use the sceptre for the same reason we can't use honey cakes. Glomdoring is suppose to be more violent, to balance this out the scepter piece is in glomdoring.

Where? And you're wrong.

And I believe Rhayni more

Actually, I remember someone saying we didn't need the Sceptre.


Because we had more to worry about than Glom taking control of the Faethorn.

Daganev, whichever side WINS WHEN IT IS NEUTRAL has to remake the scepter. So it goes to neutral, and you have to wait for the fight, then the winner does it. So right now, we have to win twice and make a scepter, while they just have to keep us from ever winning.

Yes, and I'd like to thank Daevos for ensuring that Night did win the battle of Faethorn the last time. It means that I know even better how it works and what is required. Daganev, you're wrong. I don't need to give away quest details to prove it.

And, JUST AS I SAID, if WE win, they have to win once to make it nuetral, and.. GARSP. Who here can tell me what's next?

Get a clue Daganev, it works the same both ways. The issue at hand is that Moon blesses Faethorn, so yes, you have to win more than one battle. If Night blessed Faethorn, Serenwilde would have to win more than one. It is the SAME! From the neutral state, both require the same thing. From blessed state either way, both require the same thing! Stop thinking Serenwilde has some unfair quest advantage when it's entirely equal -except- for the fact that Serenwilde has to enter Ethereal Glomdoring, and Glomdoring doesn't have to enter Ethereal Serenwilde to complete the quest.

Serenwilde only has the upper hand because it is bigger, stronger, and more experienced. This will not always be the case. I think sometimes I have more faith in Glomdoring, than Glomdoring players do.

I just reread Estarra's post and I see where I made the mistake. I misread "(if its neutral it stays neutral)"

Anyway.. I was not saying that Serenwilde had some sort of advantage I was saying that it was different and balanced out.

I have a funny feeling that when Glomdoring wins, the bird will move to Serenwilde.

The fact that moondancers can always flow and wisp but Shadowdancers can't seems very odd to me.