Terenas2005-06-17 20:05:31
QUOTE(rhayni @ Jun 17 2005, 07:53 PM)
Serenwilde only has the upper hand because it is bigger, stronger, and more experienced. This will not always be the case. I think sometimes I have more faith in Glomdoring, than Glomdoring players do.
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Easier to sit back and complain how all the odds are stacked against you than going out to fight and try to win against all those odds.
Unknown2005-06-17 20:07:08
So wait, now Serenwilders are arguing they don't have an advantage at all? 
Erion2005-06-17 20:09:43
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 03:59 PM)
I just reread Estarra's post and I see where I made the mistake. I misread "(if its neutral it stays neutral)"
Anyway.. I was not saying that Serenwilde had some sort of advantage I was saying that it was different and balanced out.
I have a funny feeling that when Glomdoring wins, the bird will move to Serenwilde.
The fact that moondancers can always flow and wisp but Shadowdancers can't seems very odd to me.
Anyway.. I was not saying that Serenwilde had some sort of advantage I was saying that it was different and balanced out.
I have a funny feeling that when Glomdoring wins, the bird will move to Serenwilde.
The fact that moondancers can always flow and wisp but Shadowdancers can't seems very odd to me.
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Moondancers CANNOT always flow. Moondancers can only flow if they purify it.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:12:06
Ok nevermind, I have on person arguing pratical current reality and another person arguing theoretical possiblities, and its just not making any sense.
Nobody is complaining that the odds are stacked against anyone.
Nobody is complaining that the odds are stacked against anyone.
Terenas2005-06-17 20:14:13
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 08:12 PM)
Nobody is complaining that the odds are stacked against anyone.
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Could have fooled me. I swear the last 5 or so posts that you kept saying how Serenwilde has to only win once while Glomdoring has to win twice sounded like the odds are stacked against you.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:15:15
I don't know how you would read it that way since Serenwilde has to run into glomdoring to get the pieces of sceptre. Thats probabbly just as hard as winning the fight again if you've allready won it once.
Erion2005-06-17 20:15:19
QUOTE(terenas @ Jun 17 2005, 04:14 PM)
Could have fooled me. I swear the last 5 or so posts that you kept saying how Serenwilde has to only win once while Glomdoring has to win twice sounded like the odds are stacked against you.
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I'm not sure if he's even reading what's being posted by other people anymore.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:20:49
Look its very simple.
Erion is arguing that given you have two teams of people with all possible resources, the fact that any side will at any time have faethorn melded in thier favour makes it equal.
As a completely seperate topic to that, someone in serenwilde said that that advantage, which Erion does not believe exists, is outweighed by the fact that they have to enter glomdoring to get the sceptre. I then argued wrongly, that that aspect of the getting the sceptere is balance by the fact that Glomdoring has to win twice while Serenwilde only has to win once, Thus arguing back on that person from serenwilde that they still have an inate advantage in Ethereal, even though Erion thinks its not really an advantage given two equal Teams.
I still argue however, that those two equal teams become irrelevant for the individual moondancers and shadowdancers who wish to hang out or explore or walk through Faethorn.
To restate the point, While Feathorn is neutral and While no Druids are in the realms, Moondancers can Flow and Wisp but Shadowdancers can not.
Erion is arguing that given you have two teams of people with all possible resources, the fact that any side will at any time have faethorn melded in thier favour makes it equal.
As a completely seperate topic to that, someone in serenwilde said that that advantage, which Erion does not believe exists, is outweighed by the fact that they have to enter glomdoring to get the sceptre. I then argued wrongly, that that aspect of the getting the sceptere is balance by the fact that Glomdoring has to win twice while Serenwilde only has to win once, Thus arguing back on that person from serenwilde that they still have an inate advantage in Ethereal, even though Erion thinks its not really an advantage given two equal Teams.
I still argue however, that those two equal teams become irrelevant for the individual moondancers and shadowdancers who wish to hang out or explore or walk through Faethorn.
To restate the point, While Feathorn is neutral and While no Druids are in the realms, Moondancers can Flow and Wisp but Shadowdancers can not.
Sylphas2005-06-17 20:21:16
Daganev, do you have multiple personalities, or just a penchant for historical revisionism?
Daganev2005-06-17 20:25:46
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 10:57 AM)
Why not make Faethorn natrually Ethereal Forest? Then you have to force it into forest or tainted forest.
Really, I see no reason to give Serenwilde such an advantage in an area that is supposedly neutral and can swing either way.
Glomdoring allready has to win the champion fight twice, while Serenwilde just does it once and has a quest.
Really, I see no reason to give Serenwilde such an advantage in an area that is supposedly neutral and can swing either way.
Glomdoring allready has to win the champion fight twice, while Serenwilde just does it once and has a quest.
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That was my post...
point 1. Make Faethorn unwisp and flowable for both sides without demense.
point 2. Faethorn is allreayd balanced by two fights vs fight and quest, thus why give Serenwilde an advantage that it doesn't need. (this argument was flawed, in details but remains true since apparently its one fight and quest for both sides)
Erion2005-06-17 20:26:36
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 04:20 PM)
Look its very simple.
Erion is arguing that given you have two teams of people with all possible resources, the fact that any side will at any time have faethorn melded in thier favour makes it equal.
As a completely seperate topic to that, someone in serenwilde said that that advantage, which Erion does not believe exists, is outweighed by the fact that they have to enter glomdoring to get the sceptre. I then argued wrongly, that that aspect of the getting the sceptere is balance by the fact that Glomdoring has to win twice while Serenwilde only has to win once, Thus arguing back on that person from serenwilde that they still have an inate advantage in Ethereal, even though Erion thinks its not really an advantage given two equal Teams.
I still argue however, that those two equal teams become irrelevant for the individual moondancers and shadowdancers who wish to hang out or explore or walk through Faethorn.
To restate the point, While Feathorn is neutral and While no Druids are in the realms, Moondancers can Flow and Wisp but Shadowdancers can not.
Erion is arguing that given you have two teams of people with all possible resources, the fact that any side will at any time have faethorn melded in thier favour makes it equal.
As a completely seperate topic to that, someone in serenwilde said that that advantage, which Erion does not believe exists, is outweighed by the fact that they have to enter glomdoring to get the sceptre. I then argued wrongly, that that aspect of the getting the sceptere is balance by the fact that Glomdoring has to win twice while Serenwilde only has to win once, Thus arguing back on that person from serenwilde that they still have an inate advantage in Ethereal, even though Erion thinks its not really an advantage given two equal Teams.
I still argue however, that those two equal teams become irrelevant for the individual moondancers and shadowdancers who wish to hang out or explore or walk through Faethorn.
To restate the point, While Feathorn is neutral and While no Druids are in the realms, Moondancers can Flow and Wisp but Shadowdancers can not.
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It's not nuetral is my point. Even if it was naturally tainted, they would simply have ran through and purified it. The purified demesne would not wear off in a matter of minutes. It decays over an extended period of time, or so I'm lead to believe. The exact same is true with infested forest.
Even if the Faethorn was made into a wasteland or underground cave, SOMEONE would have it forested. Most likely Serenwilde. And the disadvantage you claim will STILL remain. So I'm really trying to comprehend your problem with this. But I can't get it.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:28:24
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 12:26 PM)
It's not nuetral is my point. Even if it was naturally tainted, they would simply have ran through and purified it. The purified demesne would not wear off in a matter of minutes. It decays over an extended period of time, or so I'm lead to believe. The exact same is true with infested forest.
Even if the Faethorn was made into a wasteland or underground cave, SOMEONE would have it forested. Most likely Serenwilde. And the disadvantage you claim will STILL remain. So I'm really trying to comprehend your problem with this. But I can't get it.
Even if the Faethorn was made into a wasteland or underground cave, SOMEONE would have it forested. Most likely Serenwilde. And the disadvantage you claim will STILL remain. So I'm really trying to comprehend your problem with this. But I can't get it.
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Think of the situation without Druids or mages and it might make more sense to you.
Erion2005-06-17 20:28:40
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 04:25 PM)
That was my post...
point 1. Make Faethorn unwisp and flowable for both sides without demense.
point 1. Make Faethorn unwisp and flowable for both sides without demense.
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I see what you're saying, now. Okay, maybe. Maybe. Faethorn is supposed to be a mix of Glom and Seren and Ackle, just as Maeve is a mix of Night, Moon, and will be with River when She returns.
But I *like* it this way. Eventually, the tides will turn, and *we* wil have the advantage. And a lot of people seem to agree.
Sylphas2005-06-17 20:29:24
Ah, so in Daganev's fictional world without druids, it makes sense.
Erion2005-06-17 20:29:32
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 17 2005, 04:28 PM)
Think of the situation without Druids or mages and it might make more sense to you.
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The changes were made with druids in mind. Without them, it would be like making a cake without having first invented fire. Or an oven.
Erion2005-06-17 20:30:05
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 17 2005, 04:29 PM)
Ah, so in Daganev's fictional world without druids, it makes sense.
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Yep. Thank god we actually have druids, so our arguement makes MORE sense.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:31:45
QUOTE(Erion @ Jun 17 2005, 12:28 PM)
I see what you're saying, now. Okay, maybe. Maybe. Faethorn is supposed to be a mix of Glom and Seren and Ackle, just as Maeve is a mix of Night, Moon, and will be with River when She returns.
But I *like* it this way. Eventually, the tides will turn, and *we* wil have the advantage. And a lot of people seem to agree.
But I *like* it this way. Eventually, the tides will turn, and *we* wil have the advantage. And a lot of people seem to agree.
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I'm confused... how when the tides turn will this be an advantage for glomdoring? Or do you think that when Faethorn becomes Night suddenly its all going to be tainted by default?
Even if such advantage exists, I still think it should be changed to non wispable for both sides without demense. Wisp and flow should work naturally in thier own forest type and not somebody elses forest type.
Faethorn being a mix of everything is not your own forest type.
Sylphas2005-06-17 20:33:34
When the tide turns, you'll have the strength to keep it infested.
Daganev2005-06-17 20:34:15
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 17 2005, 12:29 PM)
Ah, so in Daganev's fictional world without druids, it makes sense.
140705
My GOD your a bunch of idiots!
I hope your never in charge of making decisions for large groups of people.
Like I said before, your mixing Theoretical arguments with current on the ground tactics.
Are you arguing -about- the game or how to better fight in game?
Daganev2005-06-17 20:35:44
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 17 2005, 12:33 PM)
When the tide turns, you'll have the strength to keep it infested.
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So at 3am when nobody is around and the infestation fades, how will glomdoring have an advantage?
If Faethorn was unable to be wisped or flowed without demenses, how would this advantage not exist?
