So I was wondering about the Fates, having read the hijacked thread over elsewhere in the forums, and asked one of our resident fountains of knowledge what they were. They seem to be on a level of power and so forth equal to or higher than that of the Elder God's. After all, they obviously care about Lusternia enough to bother interacting with its weave, but they aren't affected BY it in turn to such an extent that they'd bother giving any more than the vaguest of prophecies to Emperor Ladantine when he questioned them about the Fates. Nor did they bother intefering with Kethuru's invasion of the Prime long ago, such as it was. But still, they took their little Shallamar Bubble off of Nil when it was Tainted, and surely there was a reason for that.

The response was that similarly to the Greek fates, Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos appear to be on a level not so much higher than our Elder Gods as in a different direction altogether, and it was left intentionally vague as a way of blurring the IC/OOC thing to a manageable level. This leaves a couple of notable points.

The thing is why the Fates live on a Cosmic Plane. I'll grant that they're not Cosmic beings any more than the Divine are "Divine Haven beings", but they certainly choose to dwell there, and indeed seemed to be considered the prime residents of it, given the House of Prophet's attachment to them. Come to think of it, it's disappointing as it sort of relegates the Emanations (and therefore the Demon Lords) to a rather odd second place. And really, why do the modern-day Nihilists worship/aid the Demon Lords, as opposed to the Fates still, if it - like most other existing guilds - is a remnant of the former Empire? Or did the Nihilists just appear out of Magnagora's new Tainted citizens and start taking powers from the Emanations instead of the Fates for some reason?

Discuss.

Yes, the Fates aren't so much above or below the Gods as in a different hierarchy altogether.

I wouldn't say they aren't affected by it - but they know when ill-fortune is coming to places like Shallamar, so they flee. I'm going to assume they're half-formed gods, that changed to become "something different". They may be able to leave their bubbles, and make new ones. They may be more like 3/4 formed elder gods, or something stranger. I don't think they took their Shallamar Bubble off of Nil - they left, Shallamar was still there to be tainted. I think perhaps they just forged a new one on Astral.


The Fates are gone. Many of the Prophets perished when the Stone was Tainted. The Fates were gone when they started coming to their senses, realizing what had happened. Their link to the Fates is till there - Except they call them the Dark Fates now. I'm still trying to ponder that. I imagine they've ALWAYS taken power from the Emanations, just like Celestia works - they draw their power from the Light, but they often times follow different aspects. But Shallamar didn't have the Light, they had Fates. I'm still trying to comprehend why a city with half-formeds like Luciphage the Merciful and Gorgaliel the Peacemaker would name their city after the Daughter of Destruction.

In otherwords, the Fates aren't these divine beings that decide your fate. They're slaves to the Weave, just like we are. Like, I was watching Teen Titans (Shoot me). There was this robot fighter, who had what was basically a human slave. He called him Mechanic. They both viewed humans as a weaker race, but, without the human mechanic, the robot would fall into disrepair. Iunno. Someone walked into the office so I had to stop, and my train of thought is gone. Basically, the Fates serve the Tapestry, keeping it clean. Or do the decide our fate, what we do, what happens, etc.

And, with that said, does Night have some sort of relation to the Fates? As I said in the other thread, there is no proof that Moon gave Her priestesses (Actually, there's proof against it) foretellings. However, Night possessed Rowena a few times, giving foretellings of the things to come. She told Rowena what would happen, and how the Gloriana would meet it's end.

Because death/decay is the fate of all?

Edit: Also, Merloch as High Priest -did- recieve foretellings from Mother Moon herself.

Bah, damnit, now everything isn't in some nice neat little tiered system. So does that mean what the Fates do and what the Gods do cannot affect each other, so to speak? Or do the Fates still hold sway over the Gods, but are not Gods themselves?



Hmm...then why didn't they 1) Not care enough about mortals to just vanish, or 2) Care enough about mortals to tell them not to do it? They obviously considered it a bad thing if they vanished, then, right?



Hmm. I could assume the Magnora-Magnagora connection was fairly irrelevant, though. A coincidence of language rather than any intentional link. But hm, now I'm confused. Dark Fates? Where does that come from? They can't be referring to the Emanations, and the Fates aren't any more dark than anything else as far as I'm aware. Besides, remember that Celest and Magnagora found their Cosmic planes -after- formation, not before. I wonder why Magnagora is a good spot for an Earth nexus anyway. Is/was there something in the nearby blasted lands that we don't know about? And you lost me. Celestines don't take their power from the Light, they take it from the Supernals. As far as I'm aware the Light is just some arbitrary concept they devised.

Okay. I'd not heard of that. My big thing was, in the history, Moon did not forewarn the Moon Circle of the Taint's coming, nor whether or not they would fall to it. Only Gloriana got the warning, and it did little good.

The Supernals are the Light, the Light is the Supernals. Each Supernal represents a singular aspect of said entity. Think about it. Celestia has the Light, Vortex has Chaos, Continuum has Order, what did Shallamar have? Fate. Destiny. That's my guess, anyway. Perhaps Peace - they did have the Queen of Unrivaled Beauty, the Peacemaker, The Merciful. Perhap they all represented aspects of a good, well-lived, fortunate fate.

I guess the naming could have been arbitrary, but you have to wonder - Now the Engine of Transformation is aptly named after Destruction, don't you think? All we know is that they delved into the outer realms. I have a strong feeling they actually knew Shallamar was there before the Plane was founded. I mean, Magnagora was the last of the cities to be founded. Perhaps they went from the Ethereal to Earth, and from there delved into Shallamar? Perhaps not. Who can honestly tell?

EDIT: What I'm basically getting at, could the Fates have given the city it's name? The city was indeed touched by one of Magnora's most powerful minions.

The Fates are concubine to the Scribe. By His will they act to weave the Word in such a way as to permit the continuance of History.

I bet Atropos is mad - she won't see much action.

*cough*

Hmm, we went over this a while ago, and it seemed like Celestia embodied a warlike, proactive dedication towards goodness, while Shallamar leant towards a more passive thing. (Which the Fates then messed up by being about something else entirely.)



Hmm, this could be the case, but I highly doubt it. I suppose it's logical that after finding the first Cosm outside of the Water plane the ancients would have assumed that there was one outside Earth as well, but would they have known what it was until they built the Nexus there? Eh.



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He means the Fates are slaves to the Weave. They don't have a choice of what they do. Their job is to make sure there is always something to Weave, that there will always be life.

No I don't.

Can't say the Fates messed it up. And it was only a theory - Celestia IS more warlike, we know this. And much of Shallamar is pacifistic - but just because they're all aspects of peace, or most of them are, doesn't mean they can't be aspects of powerful lives.

King Gorgaliel the Peacemaker represented a powerful political figure, while Queen Nifilhema represented absolute beauty, inside and out. Luciphage the Merciful represented a kind, caring existance - a form of peace, acceptance.

I guess if we were to look at it now, Shallamar was a very liberal, radical left-wing knee-jerk of a bubble, while Celestia was a very conservative, reactionary, white christian bubble.

Then wtf DO you mean? Are you talking about Lusternia, or something else entirely?

Then hot damn, explain. 'Cause you lost me.

Night doesn't have any particular connection to the Fates. Being a prophet doesn't mean you have anything to do with the Fates, Maeve has had premonitions before, as has Auseklis, and Lisaera, and Moon... and a bunch of players...

In due time, lotus.