Unwounded.

3525h - blah
Ixion attacks your head.
Ixion attacks your head, scalp affliction.
Ixion misses.
Ixion attacks your head, slitthroat affliction.
1586h - blah.

This is with drawdown, barkskin, 87/80 helm, stance and parried head 100, and...yeah. Oh, and he got a disloyalty through as well so that two more hits and my entourage killed me before I got balance back. :|

In conclusion...no one with the least bit of objectivity can say this is underpowered. Seriously. Like I say, you're all testing it on other warriors, and trying to have it balanced around that. There are softer targets.

don't forget shiri, that is IXION who has MASSIVE strength AS WELL AS heavily artifacted and modifyed weapons.

What you are doing is equilivent to, say Tharruk or Revan or Torak turning around and saying, I can't stop amaru from killing me, he webs and aeons me with that handmaiden i can't see soulless coming with blackout whah whah whah. Thats because Amaru has more skills, better attacks at his disposal and that damn handmaiden.

Go an fight amaru and see how easy it is to win...its damn hard.

Thing is though, Amaru is extremly good, Ethelon was also very good and well thats about it for celestines. Ixion has spent rediculous amount of credits time and gold to get where he is, he also has ARTIFACTS.

Even tuek and narsrim who are pretty good I have real trouble killing, they are tanky as and can heal very well. Your problem is you dont have nearly high enough of a level to consider fighting Me or Ixion, nor do you have enough combat skill. Its not meant to be EASY to fight a top notch knight who has artifacts and knows what he is doing.

You need at least a 4.5k base HP to fight warriors unless you are very good, and even then you need upwards of 3.8k to stand a chance. Go get some levels and maybe reincarnate into a race that doesn't suck as much as furrikin, I know you wont do that but such is the price you pay for sticking it out as a furrikin

I'm well aware Ixion has massive strength, but for one thing, weren't you complaining about the Handmaiden yourself? (I know I would be, I hate the blackout, it pisses me off) and two, Amaru still needs skill to pull off the obnoxious stuff he does. Ixion may or may not have skill, but doing a haymaker doesn't NEED it when he can do all that.

Makes me wonder if there are artifacts that can immensely boost moonlash or something so we can just lash twice and toad.

Anyway, that's lame. No way is a 4.5k base justifiable as a base for fighting warriors. You'll notice that Elfen, High Elfen included, have the same amount of tankiness as a Furrikin. Merian, since I haven't logged in and can't check for sure, I believe have less. Mugwumps do as well. So are you saying that Serenwilde's specialised race is sucky and shouldn't be able to tank a warrior at my level (re: 75)? I have lowmagic yellow too, and a highfavour at the time. Normally I wouldn't have the HF, but I could have CON food, so that's acceptable. That's rather poor. You're basically saying that if non-warriors don't bother getting about 90+, they have to be dwarves/igasho/tae'dae or whatever or they shouldn't be able to survive warriors. That's just wrong.

So if I want to fight warriors, I pretty much have to be dracnari?

If the formulas for wounding have changed to something more reasonable, then I have no more complaints. Still, you can't sit here and tell me that I did not use every skill I had to slow him down. Lunge went through parry and rebounding. My stance starts out as always being lower, so I did not luck out and dodge his lunge at my right foot. I used webbing, timed attacks to get my rebounding to pop up right before his next set of attacks, and I used slinging ger/gyfu to slow him down. I could have applied health to my right leg instead of sipping it, but that path would have easily lead to death in its own way. I did survive the encounter by getting out of dodge to allow myself to heal, but I hope you are not trying to imply that I did not use my skills effectively to try stop what he did.

Narsrim is a mugwump and tanks me just fine, and you have an instakill its called pooka-cannibalize mana then toadcurse.

And yes I was complaining about the handmaiden, but not about the pet itself, just that my champion arties sucks in comparison which is more of a case of professional jealous than anything else.

4.5k Is very justifyable for a base hp to fight a knight. Narsrim does it with 4.4k and a lightning penalty, you can do it too just bash some levels up.

Even tuek as a mugwump could do it. Hell Amaru doesn't have all that much hp and has a lvl 1 blunt weakness....he tanks me fine too.

Your problem with ixion was that you didn't cure the disloyalty fast enough, nor did you do anything to stop him hitting you a second time, you have nature vines and web, use them! You seriously need to be at LEAST level 75 - 80 OR have at least 4.5k health to fight the top 3 damage warriors, being myself Daevos and Ixion.

That is a fair assessment that if you are fighting the top damage knights, you damn well need to have 4.5k as a base hp, its not unreasonable, its called top tier fighting

Warriors need an armor and damage downgrade, so people besides bashwhores can have a chance. And "you let him hit you a SECOND time?" Two hits shouldn't mean death.

Murphy if you are telling people who are below a certain health level that they can not complain about extreme damage, can the same be said to you about complaining about damage when you have a level 3 penalty to the type used? I think you are being a bit hypocritical to make your statement above, when you came on the forums and complained about damage I did to you. Especially since you had a level 3 penalty to the type I was using, and I had a True Favour and level 3 scepter that ups my damage via multiple ways.

I'll say it again, if you have LOW HEALTH then you AREN'T going to sruvive a haymaker followed up by a second combo straight away.

Its really that simple, and lets not forget its a grand total of 3 KNIGHTS IN THE WHOLE BLOODY GAME

Go fight aajen or alger or malicia or terenas or kayde or marcalo and tell me that you can't survive them and that they are overpowered, its a rediculous notion to balance the whole damn class over 3 knights who happen to have chosen the best possible combination to deal out damage, AND paid for it, not to mention the one knight is a champion of the guild and should thusly have an advantage (even though its only slight)

EDIT: Geb, I didn't mean to complain that it was unfair or overpowered (it may have come across that way but it wasn't my intent) and for the record I knew having that penalty would make me vulnerable to aquamancers but it was my decision to be weak to them, it was worth the other benefits.

Mainly i was letting off steam because I didn't expect to see the damage come up to 2.3k

Oh, would you not complain if I used that cannibalise-toadcurse trick, then? It seems like an extremely lame skill to me. I wouldn't want to do it. Alright, then, I'll remember that's a justification for ridiculous knight damage.

Incidentally, I -couldn't- cure the disloyalty fast enough. Remember, charybdon afflictions are masked, so I didn't know it was there, and the Fae hit and he got his second combo in before I got my equilibrium back.

Anyway, what're the CON formulae again? Because I only get about 40 health a level. Having 40 more health per level means about 25 more levels until I get 4.5k health and can be considered for not-instakilling by high damage knights. Wait a minute. I'm on level 75 now. YOU WANT ME TO BE A DEMIGOD BEFORE I CAN FIGHT? Hm, maybe Moondance Lash needs upgrades. Have it drain 1k mana per. I mean, hey, Terenas and so on have like 5k mana. If you want to fight on the top tier, you have to have the stats! No complaints, now.

Oh, also. If I'm expected to use web to stop someone instakilling me, let me have it passive. Otherwise I can't do anything either. Come on, Murphy. Show a little objectivity. I can't believe you're trying to justify this. *sigh* I'll just remember I can use the cannibalise trick, I guess.

Oh, one last thing. I wonder what warriors would do if surged they had about 4k less health than they currently have, putting them on a similar level to anyone else. THEN let's see them say "just tank it."

Shiri, you can't compare yourself to Ixion, Murphy, and Daevos...normal Ur'guard aren't that bad..and you could most likely take their damage at your level.

Eh, it's not just a case of "comparing." I don't expect to be able to -beat- them. But seriously, things like that are just ridiculous. It's not even beating them that's the problem, it's being able to survive for more than ~6 seconds.

EDIT: And think about what I just said, I'm as tanky as any High Elfen. Serenwilde's entire specialisation race should have to get level 100 in order to "fight a knight"?



He said it himself. We all need demigod, or at least level 95 plus Divine favour, or 90 with favour + herofete? I mean, seriously, what is that?

I can take normal damage, but not usually well enough to be able to heal wounds, so I'm going to die anyway unless I somehow manage to drop them in the limited time before wounds screw me over.

Shiri, Do other things to boost your con, like con food, truefavour, life blessings.

i mean i have 8 int, but i dont complain about lash or amissio, I get myself a knowledge blessing and do whatever else I CAN to soften the hurt of 8 int, yet I do fine.

Your problem is your choice of race (seriously man, give it up) and your lack of knowledge about combat and therefore lack of combat skill.

Lash DOES drain 1k mana a blow to the right target, being that its % based just like the majority of all forms of damage. Incidentally how much did you sip and sparkle for after ixion does a NORMAL combo on you (dont include haymaker because no-one uses it seriously in combat, we all know lunge is better)

The idea is YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SIT THERE AND TANK WHILE THEY BEAT ON YOU

You are supposed to have to hinder them in some way or put them on the defensive, It comes down to combat skill people, combat skill!

EDIT; And Shiri, I should've said you need 4-4.5k max hp to fight the TOP 3 damage knights, which stand at Me Daevos and Ixion.

"Do other things to boost your con, like...truefavour" Uh...yes, please? Any time you want.

And okay, completely missing the point. Make lash 1k against YOU (when you're surged), so you can survive it. I don't care if Ixion does a 2k combo to a surged Icarus on 8k health, it's us people with NORMAL constitution I'm worried about. You know you can only use constitution food once, right? It doesn't stack. So that only brings me up 200 hp. That still makes me need level 95. That's WRONG. (And all High Elfen too. Don't try and tack this into Furrikin suckiness. It's not just us, y'know.)

I didn't precisely measure Ixion's damage earlier, but he was doing ABOUT 1400 per pair of lunges in the arena.

EDIT: Anyway, going to sleep, talk tomorrow.

1400 health a combo is perfectly natural and normal for a top damage knight to do.

You'd have a hard time fighting me because i've been known to do 1.5k a combo as a minimum, but you can shield rebound stance parry dodge or I miss, on top of that you can web when you get in trouble or use a variety of different techniques and skills, like i SAID it comes down to combat ability, which you lack

EDIT: When i'm surged, I have 1.3K MANA TOTAL. amissio does 500 base plus a % and lash does 400 plus a %.

If I'm surged while fighting a moondancer, That means they can lash me once to bring me down to about 850 mana, pooke force focus body for another 250 mana and banshee for 100 minimum mana drain. If you time your first lash, you can lash then toadcurse...... So where was your point again?

Runed weapons are suppose to make them hit hard. Look at Geb, he has the Level 3 Scepter and hits as hard if not harder than Murphy per staff.

Solution: base weapon damage on target max health more heavily.

Not unless you have elemental weaknesses. I highly doubt Geb would hit me for 2k like Murphy can with a pair of crushes. And Geb isn't stunning and making me prone at the same time, and doesn't have a chance of a venom coming off.

And Murphy, I don't expect to be able to tank a knight like that. I'm not talking 20 rounds in, it's more like 3 or 4. I can't continuously hinder you if I expect to actually hurt you at all.