Athana2005-06-18 16:57:06
True, but you can't stance, parry, rebound with Geb's attacks.
Ceres2005-06-18 17:03:31
I have yet to see any logs proving these random figures being thrown out.
2k damage?
I doubt that.
2k damage?
I doubt that.
Shamarah2005-06-18 17:05:49
Arguing against Murphy is like yelling at a brick wall.
Or better yet, banging your head into a brick wall:
And Ceres...
That's over 1850.
Or better yet, banging your head into a brick wall:
And Ceres...
QUOTE(Laysus)
2612h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1688h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
742h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1688h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
742h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
That's over 1850.
Thorgal2005-06-18 17:07:06
Also, don't bother stancing anymore.
Thorgal : 17 dex
Silimaur: 9 dex
Trans combat, I stance head, since that only covers a single bodypart.
He launches 20 normal strikes at my head, and I dodge 1 time.
A knight recovers balance at double speed when he misses or gets parried, what's the point in even bothering to parry or stance? It's not like it will hinder or slow them down in any way, and with the last tweak, it isn't even happening at all anymore..
Thorgal : 17 dex
Silimaur: 9 dex
Trans combat, I stance head, since that only covers a single bodypart.
He launches 20 normal strikes at my head, and I dodge 1 time.
A knight recovers balance at double speed when he misses or gets parried, what's the point in even bothering to parry or stance? It's not like it will hinder or slow them down in any way, and with the last tweak, it isn't even happening at all anymore..
Shamarah2005-06-18 17:09:40
Oh, and Murphy... I'm an Imperial Merian. There is NO WAY I can be really effective as an Aquamancer as any other race, as I don't have any instakill that doesn't rely on damage. I have 10 constitution and a level 2 lightning weakness.
Now tell me how I'm supposed to stay alive? Or will you just say that I'm supposed to sit there and die because it's right and just that I should die to you because I have a low constitution and level 2 weakness in exchange for being at all effective offensively?
Now tell me how I'm supposed to stay alive? Or will you just say that I'm supposed to sit there and die because it's right and just that I should die to you because I have a low constitution and level 2 weakness in exchange for being at all effective offensively?
Ceres2005-06-18 17:10:35
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jun 18 2005, 05:05 PM)
And Ceres...
That's over 1850.
QUOTE(Laysus)
2612h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1688h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
742h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1688h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
742h, 3632m, 3332e, 10p exk-
That's over 1850.
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I was referring to the claims about Aquamancers, dear boy.
Shamarah2005-06-18 17:12:01
Ahh.
Now that, I don't believe even against an orclach and with a 20% scepter.
Now that, I don't believe even against an orclach and with a 20% scepter.
Icarus2005-06-18 18:08:17
QUOTE(Ceres @ Jun 19 2005, 01:03 AM)
I have yet to see any logs proving these random figures being thrown out.
2k damage?
I doubt that.
2k damage?
I doubt that.
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Ixion showed a log of Kaervas doing over 2.3k damage to him added with passive demesne damage. But I guess for the purpose of this thread, passive demesne damage does not count. Demesne effects, angels and demons also mean nothing. They are worthless compared with warriors' damage.
Oh my just look at poor Laysus, I'd say we nerf warriors' damage and wounding some more. It's wrong that people can die so easily. While we are at it, we might also want to nerf runes, which Geb used to kill me easily out of his demesne, also healing, which Nasrim used to kill me with bedevil (when he was not pooka/toadcursing me), and bonecrusher too, since Murphy also killed me easily with those flails of his.
It's just not fair that I die to them so easily!
EDIT: I am only kidding about nerfing bonecrusher, since I have it too.
Narsrim2005-06-18 18:36:58
QUOTE(Icarus @ Jun 18 2005, 02:08 PM)
Ixion showed a log of Kaervas doing over 2.3k damage to him added with passive demesne damage. But I guess for the purpose of this thread, passive demesne damage does not count. Demesne effects, angels and demons also mean nothing. They are worthless compared with warriors' damage.
Oh my just look at poor Laysus, I'd say we nerf warriors' damage and wounding some more. It's wrong that people can die so easily. While we are at it, we might also want to nerf runes, which Geb used to kill me easily out of his demesne, also healing, which Nasrim used to kill me with bedevil (when he was not pooka/toadcursing me), and bonecrusher too, since Murphy also killed me easily with those flails of his.
It's just not fair that I die to them so easily!
EDIT: I am only kidding about nerfing bonecrusher, since I have it too.Â
Oh my just look at poor Laysus, I'd say we nerf warriors' damage and wounding some more. It's wrong that people can die so easily. While we are at it, we might also want to nerf runes, which Geb used to kill me easily out of his demesne, also healing, which Nasrim used to kill me with bedevil (when he was not pooka/toadcursing me), and bonecrusher too, since Murphy also killed me easily with those flails of his.
It's just not fair that I die to them so easily!
EDIT: I am only kidding about nerfing bonecrusher, since I have it too.Â
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To be fair, there are a lot of things to consider in your assessment.
1. Damage so far as I know is based typically upon a base% + health%. Given Ixion's high health, the health% is extremely high because he in fact can get what... 8,000 some health? As a result... 2,000 damage against Ixion with 8,000 health CANNOT be compared to say 2,000 damage against a Faeling.
2. Your failure to heal runes from Geb is your fault. It has to do with your inability to heal afflictions. However, when someone can deal 2/3 of your max health in one combo, there is NOTHING you can do to fix it. You simply have zero chance. For you to compare these as similar is wrong.
3. Believe it or not, Terenas and you are the two hardest Knights to toadcurse because of your passive mana regeneration at night. When I slew you in the last FFA, it took at least 15 minutes. For you to compare that to a combo, which deals damage instantly further shows you bias or ignorance, one of the two.
Terenas2005-06-18 20:43:20
Clarifications-
Lash is 300 + 10% of maxmana.
Leech is 400 + 10% of maxmana.
Amissio if 500 + 10% of maxmana.
And I don't know about you guys, but I'm taking 1700 damage in two swings from Ixion. That's almost 29% of my maxhealth and I have invested a ton into armor and Resilience, but he's about the only knight that does that type of damage. Similar to how Ceres used to do some ungodly damage with her staff with blessings/scepter. There are always extremes in any games, you just have to adapt.
Lash is 300 + 10% of maxmana.
Leech is 400 + 10% of maxmana.
Amissio if 500 + 10% of maxmana.
And I don't know about you guys, but I'm taking 1700 damage in two swings from Ixion. That's almost 29% of my maxhealth and I have invested a ton into armor and Resilience, but he's about the only knight that does that type of damage. Similar to how Ceres used to do some ungodly damage with her staff with blessings/scepter. There are always extremes in any games, you just have to adapt.
Thorgal2005-06-19 00:03:30
Slight hijack..
Not sure if it's common knowledge, but pinleg, next to doing massive extra wounds, automatically pierces the pinned leg as well..which makes sense, but it's still another affliction added to everything else.
Not sure if it's common knowledge, but pinleg, next to doing massive extra wounds, automatically pierces the pinned leg as well..which makes sense, but it's still another affliction added to everything else.
Shiri2005-06-19 01:21:56
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 18 2005, 04:41 PM)
1400 health a combo is perfectly natural and normal for a top damage knight to do.
You'd have a hard time fighting me because i've been known to do 1.5k a combo as a minimum, but you can shield rebound stance parry dodge or I miss, on top of that you can web when you get in trouble or use a variety of different techniques and skills, like i SAID it comes down to combat ability, which you lack
EDIT: When i'm surged, I have 1.3K MANA TOTAL. amissio does 500 base plus a % and lash does 400 plus a %.
If I'm surged while fighting a moondancer, That means they can lash me once to bring me down to about 850 mana, pooke force focus body for another 250 mana and banshee for 100 minimum mana drain. If you time your first lash, you can lash then toadcurse...... So where was your point again?
You'd have a hard time fighting me because i've been known to do 1.5k a combo as a minimum, but you can shield rebound stance parry dodge or I miss, on top of that you can web when you get in trouble or use a variety of different techniques and skills, like i SAID it comes down to combat ability, which you lack
EDIT: When i'm surged, I have 1.3K MANA TOTAL. amissio does 500 base plus a % and lash does 400 plus a %.
If I'm surged while fighting a moondancer, That means they can lash me once to bring me down to about 850 mana, pooke force focus body for another 250 mana and banshee for 100 minimum mana drain. If you time your first lash, you can lash then toadcurse...... So where was your point again?
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Anyway - yeah, I remember having a hard time fighting you when you used your flails, because your pulp gave me stun and paralysis, and when I got unstunned the paralysis time was long enough for you to instakill me with a regular combo. I couldn't shield, I probably should have had rebounding up but that's about a 1 second delay, parry and dodge BARELY WORK AT ALL (EDIT: And stance is removed by knockdown, in case you forgot), on top of that I don't get TIME to web when I die in like 3-4 hits! Hello?
Oh, yeah, and I forgot I can surge too so the same point applies to me, I can easily revoke my mana advantage in lieu of high health.
Murphy2005-06-19 04:39:03
the pulp giving stun and paralysis was sheer lucxk, also shiri, are you trans resilience? That has a lot of effect as well.
If you aren't trans resilience you are doing to take a bucketload more damage, pure and simple. Its unfair that you need to trans it to have a chance, but the game has to be balanced around the fact that resilience exists and most people trans it.
Simple solution is to remove resilience and balance everyone's damage the same.
If you aren't trans resilience you are doing to take a bucketload more damage, pure and simple. Its unfair that you need to trans it to have a chance, but the game has to be balanced around the fact that resilience exists and most people trans it.
Simple solution is to remove resilience and balance everyone's damage the same.
Shiri2005-06-19 04:43:13
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 19 2005, 05:39 AM)
the pulp giving stun and paralysis was sheer lucxk, also shiri, are you trans resilience? That has a lot of effect as well.
If you aren't trans resilience you are doing to take a bucketload more damage, pure and simple. Its unfair that you need to trans it to have a chance, but the game has to be balanced around the fact that resilience exists and most people trans it.
Simple solution is to remove resilience and balance everyone's damage the same.
If you aren't trans resilience you are doing to take a bucketload more damage, pure and simple. Its unfair that you need to trans it to have a chance, but the game has to be balanced around the fact that resilience exists and most people trans it.
Simple solution is to remove resilience and balance everyone's damage the same.
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So wait, warrior offence has to be balanced around people with trans combat and resilience, but everyone's DEFENCE doesn't have to be balanced around people with stupid powerful weapons/health/stat combinations?
And right, it's luck. That doesn't really help, though. :/
Murphy2005-06-19 04:50:07
well people defensive vs warriors has to take into account that they are going to have trans combat and resilience.
Otherwise resilience kills our offence hardcore.
Also with pulps, I often miss a whole combo, or worse rebound it (when it lags a bit and rebounding comes up between my commands reaching server, which all knight can attest it happens sometimes)
8 power to only hit rebounding and do 2k damage to yourself isn't very fun at all. That there is a balancing factor.
Basically your defence is your intelligent use of stances, and the ability to get trans combat and resilience, plus your other skills and the ability to hinder me (try shieldstun wityh ents, works a treat)
Otherwise resilience kills our offence hardcore.
Also with pulps, I often miss a whole combo, or worse rebound it (when it lags a bit and rebounding comes up between my commands reaching server, which all knight can attest it happens sometimes)
8 power to only hit rebounding and do 2k damage to yourself isn't very fun at all. That there is a balancing factor.
Basically your defence is your intelligent use of stances, and the ability to get trans combat and resilience, plus your other skills and the ability to hinder me (try shieldstun wityh ents, works a treat)
Ceres2005-06-19 10:07:52
QUOTE(terenas @ Jun 18 2005, 08:43 PM)
Similar to how Ceres used to do some ungodly damage with her staff with blessings/scepter.
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No longer possible, with upkeep
Murphy2005-06-19 13:09:48
to keep 2 blessing up? Its rather easy as a champion, i often keep 2 blessings up at a time.
You only need war and knowledge to crank that damage right up
You only need war and knowledge to crank that damage right up
Amaru2005-06-19 13:21:32
I still think knockdown is one of Lusternia's most stupid abilities. Stun for a normal damage hit? Insanity!
Murphy2005-06-19 13:34:12
firstly what the hell has that got to do with this thread
and secondly I'd be happy if it were like it was, i whored it so much better!
and secondly I'd be happy if it were like it was, i whored it so much better!
Terenas2005-06-19 21:38:08
QUOTE(Amaru @ Jun 19 2005, 01:21 PM)
I still think knockdown is one of Lusternia's most stupid abilities. Stun for a normal damage hit? Insanity!
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I think hangman/trueheal/soulless is one of Lusternia's overpowered combos. Instant recovery after hindering followed up by an instantkill? Overpowered!