Yes, it is deffinitely impossible to please everybody. Even if they're on the same side.

It looks to me like the idea was that instead of having a few people sneak in, kill all the dwarves possible, and sneak out, you now have to do it in with group force. That is, go in, kill all the guards at the entrance, kill the dwarves or whatever, and to get out, kill anyone waiting at the entrance locking or blocking the way out. Really makes you work for your prize, but an interesting change.

That's what Estarra seems to be saying, except only a few people can tank those guards, so we're right back to having a small elite raiding or just having no raids at all, which is dumb and boring...

Why don't we wait a week, give it some time, and see what happens? No sense in starting a bitchfest hours after the change.

Oh, and go

Well, tell ya what. Give Celest the miners back, and we'll see how Mag goes retrieving them one at a time. At least now Serpent doesn't stay up when you move, but still, I don't like the idea of big massive groups going raiding. It /should/ be small maverick groups, that way it can happen more often.

Well I'll never even be attempting to raid again with these changes. The only way I can get in and out is with dreamweaving and that was risky as hell before this was put in.

Awwwww now everyone is going to be swarming.

Sure, most of us wont raid while the villages are populated, but do you know what we CAN do? WAIT TILL THE FREAKING VILLAGE IS IN PLAY, AND PROCEED TO SMACK THE DWARVES DOWN THEN. The tactic isn't _that_ hard, and it means that there will be more of a flux between at least two of the mines now, instead of virtually all being at Angkrag or Southguard/Rockholm.

I think it is just the opposite. The best way to raid now is to wait until the bulk of a city isn't around and go in with a couple people who can in and get out.

It's still possible to raid with two people pretty easily, but one would have to sacrifice their life for the other. I'll leave it to you to figure out how.

I know i'm probably missed it by now but...


"Talk to me goose" - topgun

I love it, that is hilarious

The change probably served its purpose, i.e. less pressure on the players, it's just frustrating that's it's entirely impossible to retrieve miners untill the village goes into play now.

You know.... has the potential to be -so- much easier now, i mean jeez, there should be -atleast- one person in every organization, except Glom, cause we sark with the skills, who has trans Dreamweaving, Dreambody, walk into the village, evelop the Monolith, since i very much doubt they have eyesigils, Coalesce, and raid away, wow bypassed guards, and most probably they dont have all villages demesne's since they dont have a 400 room range now.

I seriously doubt you can envelop flamed items.

Mmph, well that makes it basically worthless then, i mean you cant envelop items where there's a eye, you cant envelop a flamed item, you cant get into shops to steal now, i mean, the only thing it'd be good for is corpse stealing, which doesn't give Karma now, or gold stealing on astral *snicker* Imagine a Trans Dreamweaver, walking around stealing all the gold dropped on Astral

It's as useless as "get." Except you're not vulnerable while doing it.

It does stop the maverick raids which were far too asy... a good thing... but... yea... it seems to make any kind of raid too difficult to attempt now which was really not what I wanted to see. Well... I can only wait to see how it plays out, but I'm not confident so far.

Has anyone actually tested Envelop? Since i mean your taking it without actually touching it, so it shouldn't burn your hands to do so.

You're surrounding it with your whole dreamform, and flame sigils aren't purely physical.

Yeah they have a magical effect which stops any physical touch, and Dreamform isn't physical it's very much the opposite.