Wounding

by Terenas

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Terenas2005-06-18 05:23:59
Ixion and I did some testing earlier with wounding and lunges and found some very odd stuffs.

Ixion- 19 strength, 143 precision.
Me- 115 cutting fullplate, 95 cutting helm, 11 Dex.

-2 Strikes-

5917h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are merely clipped on your left arm for a small cut.
5089h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Ixion strikes your left arm, striking a major artery which splurts
blood in all directions.
4243h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
= L-Arm

-2 Strikes-

5917h, 2595m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
5074h, 2574m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25101w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
4215h, 2574m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25101w elrxkp-
= Head

-2 Strikes-

5917h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
You shrug off the effects of the venom.
5074h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
4215h, 2597m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
= Head

-2 Lunges-

5917h, 2596m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25101w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
5095h, 2571m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25100w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
4256h, 2571m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25100w elrxk-
= Head

-2 Lunges-

5917h, 2572m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25101w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. The blade bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow
puncture.
5089h, 2620m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Ixion strikes into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
4243h, 2620m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
= Chest

-2 Lunges-

5874h, 2620m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
4984h, 2620m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
With a powerful lunge, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
Your insomnia has cleared up.
4076h, 2620m, 4026e, 10p, 15385en, 25105w elrxk-
Your wound status is:
= Head


This problem was only apparent for head as well, other limbs had reasonable wounding when we tested.
Syrienne2005-06-18 20:37:40
Beginning to really wonder what the deal is with wounding.. I just fought Visaeris twice and within moments of the fight I was passing out from pierced lung chest at 0, gut at 0 and leg at 0.. within seconds, WAY faster than I could possible heal all locations. With that kind of wounding I figure he musta been doing 20+ ATLEAST per combo.. put it back to the old way if you cant fix this way for now this is stupid.
Unknown2005-06-18 21:03:28
QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 18 2005, 01:37 PM)
Beginning to really wonder what the deal is with wounding.. I just fought Visaeris twice and within moments of the fight I was passing out from pierced lung chest at 0, gut at 0 and leg at 0.. within seconds, WAY faster than I could possible heal all locations. With that kind of wounding I figure he musta been doing 20+ ATLEAST per combo.. put it back to the old way if you cant fix this way for now this is stupid.
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Using my rapiers I have a 4 second combo. It takes 3 combos to begin impaling leg. PinLeg requires heavy. This means it takes me at least 12 seconds to get to heavy wounds on a leg.

Now I may not be a super-awesome fighter but... Generally if I see someone targetting one location fairly exclusively I'll shift my stancing or parrying.

My fights versus her went like this: Strike LLEG, Strike GUT, Strike LLEG, Strike GUT, repeat.
Syrienne2005-06-18 21:46:19
You're bringing in pointless arguments here Visaeris, it has nothing to do with MY wounding, its your wounding. Wether I land 10 combos or none doesnt make a difference on if your bringing 3 limbs to 0 way to quickly.
Marcalo2005-06-18 21:57:04
visaeris isn't that bad to tank, i went afk during a ffa against him for like 2 min came back and i was fine. its just your a poor fighter syrienne.
Syrienne2005-06-18 22:49:55
What a shocker, Marcalo as usual puts in nothing constructive when he speaks.
Marcalo2005-06-18 22:51:33
actually what i ment its just your poor fighting abilities that led you to get wounded that bad, nothing to do with wounding in general.
Syrienne2005-06-19 00:42:51
Then you clearly live in a cloud somewhere where the air dont move because everyone has been talking about how screwed up wounding is.
Unknown2005-06-19 00:54:40
QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 18 2005, 02:46 PM)
You're bringing in pointless arguments here Visaeris, it has nothing to do with MY wounding, its your wounding. Wether I land 10 combos or none doesnt make a difference on if your bringing 3 limbs to 0 way to quickly.
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You wound faster and I have no problem healing it, but I wound slower and my wounding is the issue?

Oh.. I see. cool.gif

But seriously. It takes me at least 12 seconds to bring a location to heavy from full. That's not counting stancing or parrying. Those are hard numbers. That's assuming every attack hits.

Stop complaining.
Syrienne2005-06-19 01:27:31
Diff is the formulas are all screwed and I dont have weapons meant for high precision
Kaervas2005-06-19 01:28:34
QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 19 2005, 02:27 AM)
Diff is the formulas are all screwed and I dont have weapons meant for high precision
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Then work on getting some?
Unknown2005-06-19 01:31:02
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jun 18 2005, 05:54 PM)
You wound faster and I have no problem healing it, but I wound slower and my wounding is the issue?
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QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 18 2005, 06:27 PM)
Diff is the formulas are all screwed and I dont have weapons meant for high precision
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So the fact that you wound faster than me with non-precise weapons is ok?
Syrienne2005-06-19 01:35:25
But I wasnt wounding faster than you is the entire point..


and I'm not going to go get some to exploit a screw up in the coding. I dont play that way.
Morik2005-06-19 01:35:44
Just so you know, single hits from Visaeris to arms, non-lunged, is donig /15/ wounding. A hit. That means a double hit is 30. /30/. I can't keep up with that.

Asarnil was doing 13 with his broadswords, and they're reasonably average stats (way below 200 precision). He was doing 16 or 17 per lunge. Single hits. That means a double swing is 26.

Things are screwed up if you're fighting someone with fieldplate. The wounding resistance you have depends upon armour, right? So what about people who don't have armour? The magical defences celestines have do nothing for wounding - including numen.
Olan2005-06-19 01:41:54
And wounding doesn't do anything for bashing. There are trade offs and strategies. I'm not saying it doesn't need to be balanced a bit, but it makes no sense to ASSUME that all of these things are supposed to or should effect the wound damage.
Unknown2005-06-19 06:17:09
QUOTE(Syrienne @ Jun 18 2005, 06:35 PM)
and I'm not going to go get some to exploit a screw up in the coding. I dont play that way.
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....

I bought precision weapons because I knew the knight change was coming. Should I stop using them because they're effective?

I've yet to see any Gods say that wounding is bugged. It's constantly in a state of flux.

QYB

QUOTE(morik @ Jun 18 2005, 06:35 PM)
Just so you know, single hits from Visaeris to arms, non-lunged, is donig /15/ wounding. A hit. That means a double hit is 30. /30/. I can't keep up with that.
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17 str, 13 dex, 52/229/209, 55/235/196.
Marcalo2005-06-19 06:26:08
vis its really no point in talking to her, its like a broken record she will just keep repeating the same complaints over and over, just let it drop.
Asarnil2005-06-19 06:32:06
I had
19 Strength, 16 Dexterity, 19 Constitution, 12 Intelligence, 10 Size, 14 Charisma
Damage: 156 Precision: 158 Speed: 151 Steel Broadsword
Damage: 155 Precision: 155 Speed: 155 Draconic Broadsword
Morik2005-06-19 08:50:00
i'm sure that I'll figure out how to deal with wounding, stances and parrying effectively over time. The trouble now, though, is that there isn't a way to effectively take the crap from a Knight unless you seem to (a) have lots of strong armour, (cool.gif be really good at stance/parry, © trans or near-trans combat. As a guardian, I wonder how I'm meant to explain this to other upcoming NON credit whore celestine guildmates. "You can learn to fight everyone bar knights, there's no way you can even begin to fight them unless you trans combat and resilience".

I wish there were two skills someone had to transcend to deal with me. About all someone really needs is decent discipline so my paralysis doesn't shut them down for more than a couple of seconds.

Admin - you do realise that knights are able to have high dex, high con /and/ high str all at once, right? How can you not take that into account with wounding? Why is it so unbearable? What are we doing wrong?

EDIT: high con, high dex, high str, high high high armour. No other class benefits so.
Alger2005-06-20 02:13:34
i fought visaeris earlier on astral... I didnt see any problem with his wounding.