Elryn2005-06-20 08:02:43
A fight against a very powerful runed knight, in which you'll notice my autosipper did not work. I was parrying head 50%, gut 50%, and stanced legs. I have ~44/45 greatrobes, a shield, barkskin, staghide, trans combat and mythical resilience.
In this log I had the same defences, but was parrying 100% head, and stanced legs.
This is not about the knight in question (name removed), but clearly this level of damage is possible. I think that either dodging formulas need to be vastly improved (preferably), or if that is impossible then knight damage needs to be reexamined.
In the second log the four strikes brought my head wounds down to 18%. The attacking knight had 14 dexterity, while I had 18.
I really think this sort of thing should be toned down. I'm all for having powerful knights being able to dominate weaker races, but I don't believe it should be quite as easy as getting two combos in. I'm a level 74 Faeling that considered the knight in question 60% of my might. I'm not expecting to be able to win in a damage competition, but I should last a lot longer than around 10 seconds.
For those who say rebounding and shielding are hazards, most knights I've fought can raze both of these and strike again before I can put them back up. Webbing/transfixing/paralysing stops a knights offense, yes, but it stops ANYONE's main offense.
If dodging and parrying is supposed to compensate for incredibly powerful strikes when they do land, then such avoidance should be much more common than one out of every five blows. I am near to the smallest, most dextrous, and most combat-proficient that you can get. If this is the highest rate of dodging, I shudder to think of how often other races get to avoid such devastating blows.
QUOTE
2853h, 4318m, 4104e, 10p, 11848en, 18426w elrxk-
<> swings a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you, and you smoothly
step away from the blow. His broadsword cuts through the air, missing you
completely.
2853h, 4318m, 4104e, 10p, 11848en, 18426w elrxk-
<> swings a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword at you, but his swing
hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. <> cuts his own
belly, merely scratching the flesh.
2853h, 4318m, 4104e, 10p, 11848en, 18426w elrxk-
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Your spell fizzles, finding no shield upon your target.
2853h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11848en, 18396w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w lrxk-showoff gem
You have recovered equilibrium.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w elrxk-
Animated branches from the trees above suddenly reach down and clutch <>
around the waist, pulling him into their foliage.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w elrxk-
You display a perfect gemstone for all in the room to see.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18220w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
817h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11870en, 18244w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. The blade is driven into your throat, which begins to spurt blood.
The final blow is too much for you, and you fall to the floor a broken, bloody
mess.
You have been slain by <> .
A swirling force begins to tug at your soul and the world spins around you.
0h, 4288m, 4332e, 0p, 11870en, 18244w elrx-drink health
<
step away from the blow. His broadsword cuts through the air, missing you
completely.
2853h, 4318m, 4104e, 10p, 11848en, 18426w elrxk-
<
hits your powerful aura and rebounds back into himself. <
belly, merely scratching the flesh.
2853h, 4318m, 4104e, 10p, 11848en, 18426w elrxk-
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Your spell fizzles, finding no shield upon your target.
2853h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11848en, 18396w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w lrxk-showoff gem
You have recovered equilibrium.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w elrxk-
Animated branches from the trees above suddenly reach down and clutch <
around the waist, pulling him into their foliage.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18420w elrxk-
You display a perfect gemstone for all in the room to see.
1835h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11868en, 18220w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are pierced in the side of your face, leaving a bleeding wound.
817h, 4288m, 4332e, 10p, 11870en, 18244w lrxk-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. The blade is driven into your throat, which begins to spurt blood.
The final blow is too much for you, and you fall to the floor a broken, bloody
mess.
You have been slain by <
A swirling force begins to tug at your soul and the world spins around you.
0h, 4288m, 4332e, 0p, 11870en, 18244w elrx-drink health
In this log I had the same defences, but was parrying 100% head, and stanced legs.
QUOTE
<> enters your demesne.
2853h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1033h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w elrx-
A renewed aura of prismatic energy surges once more from your crown chakra and
surrounds you.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18530w elrx-
You bleed 114 health.
1507h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18530w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4258m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
The tiny red mushrooms on the ground release a cloud of yellow spores, which
travel up <> 's nose and make his eyes water.
Small motes of yellow pollen rise up from the wildflowers and drift into
<> 's mouth. He flushes and begins to cough.
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. <> is pelted by
acorns that leave welts and bruises.
Flying insects suddenly swarm <> , covering him with tiny, painful stings.
A bolt of lighting streaks down from the heavens and strikes <> , who writhes
terribly as the energy ripples over him.
1649h, 4258m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4198m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18506w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
<> takes a drink from an amethyst vial.
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
<> eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<> takes a drink from a beryl vial.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<> eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<> mutters and traces a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that remains
hovering before him.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<> takes a drink from a pearl vial.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You bleed 44 health.
2332h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2332h, 4078m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18506w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2332h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You do not bleed my friend.
2332h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2853h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
The aura of prismatic energy surrounding you flickers and retreats into your
crown chakra.
You make a sudden gesture at <> and a bolt of black energy shoots out from
your outward stretched palm and shatters his magical shield of protection.
2853h, 3988m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18488w lrx-
<> moves over to block the northwest exit.
2853h, 3988m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18488w lrx-
<> whips a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword through the air in front
of you, to no effect.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
The tiny red mushrooms on the ground release a cloud of yellow spores, which
travel up <> 's nose and make his eyes water.
Small motes of yellow pollen rise up from the wildflowers and drift into
<> 's mouth. He flushes and begins to cough.
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. <> is pelted by
acorns that leave welts and bruises.
Flying insects suddenly swarm <> , covering him with tiny, painful stings.
A bolt of lighting streaks down from the heavens and strikes <> , who writhes
terribly as the energy ripples over him.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<> takes a drink from an amethyst vial.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<> eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus arrives from the northwest.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus razes <> 's speed defence with a crimson double-chained taurian flail.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<> takes a drink from a coral vial.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus whips a crimson double-chained taurian flail through the air in front of
<> , to no effect.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<> takes a drink from an amethyst vial.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<> eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1954h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrxb-
With a powerful lunge, <> strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
You display a perfect gemstone for all in the room to see.
1033h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w lrxb-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1715h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w lrxb-
A renewed aura of prismatic energy surges once more from your crown chakra and
surrounds you.
1715h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w lrxb-
You bleed 106 health.
1609h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w lrxb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
1609h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4083m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
1609h, 4083m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4023m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18300w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2309h, 4023m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You bleed 37 health.
2414h, 4238m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2414h, 4178m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18336w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2414h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You do not bleed my friend.
2414h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You are blind and see nothing but darkness.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18348w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18348w elrxb-l
You are blind and can see nothing but darkness.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<> 's attack is repelled by your prismatic barrier.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
I cannot fathom your meaning.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
You remove 1 faeleaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 59.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w elrxb-
You eat a stalk of faeleaf.
Blessed sight returns to you.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w elrx-
You are:
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w lrx-
***** SERPENT: Going down in ten.
2853h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1033h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18508w elrx-
A renewed aura of prismatic energy surges once more from your crown chakra and
surrounds you.
1621h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18530w elrx-
You bleed 114 health.
1507h, 4268m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18530w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4258m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
The tiny red mushrooms on the ground release a cloud of yellow spores, which
travel up <
Small motes of yellow pollen rise up from the wildflowers and drift into
<
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. <
acorns that leave welts and bruises.
Flying insects suddenly swarm <
A bolt of lighting streaks down from the heavens and strikes <
terribly as the energy ripples over him.
1649h, 4258m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4198m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18506w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
<
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
<
1649h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18494w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 1p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<
hovering before him.
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
<
2376h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You bleed 44 health.
2332h, 4138m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2332h, 4078m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18506w elrx-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2332h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You do not bleed my friend.
2332h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2853h, 4018m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18518w elrx-
The aura of prismatic energy surrounding you flickers and retreats into your
crown chakra.
You make a sudden gesture at <
your outward stretched palm and shatters his magical shield of protection.
2853h, 3988m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18488w lrx-
<
2853h, 3988m, 4562e, 2p, 11870en, 18488w lrx-
<
of you, to no effect.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
The tiny red mushrooms on the ground release a cloud of yellow spores, which
travel up <
Small motes of yellow pollen rise up from the wildflowers and drift into
<
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. <
acorns that leave welts and bruises.
Flying insects suddenly swarm <
A bolt of lighting streaks down from the heavens and strikes <
terribly as the energy ripples over him.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus arrives from the northwest.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus razes <
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
Icarus whips a crimson double-chained taurian flail through the air in front of
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
<
2853h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrx-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
1954h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18512w elrxb-
With a powerful lunge, <
broadsword. You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
You display a perfect gemstone for all in the room to see.
1033h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w lrxb-
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1715h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w lrxb-
A renewed aura of prismatic energy surges once more from your crown chakra and
surrounds you.
1715h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w lrxb-
You bleed 106 health.
1609h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w lrxb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
1609h, 4203m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18336w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
<
1609h, 4143m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4083m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w elrxb-
<
1609h, 4083m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18312w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
1609h, 4023m, 4562e, 3p, 11870en, 18300w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2309h, 4023m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You bleed 37 health.
2414h, 4238m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2414h, 4178m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18336w elrxb-
You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
2414h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You do not bleed my friend.
2414h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
You take a drink from a bloodstone vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 4p, 11870en, 18324w elrxb-
You are blind and see nothing but darkness.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18348w elrxb-
You may use another health, mana, or bromide potion, or medicine bag.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18348w elrxb-l
You are blind and can see nothing but darkness.
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
<
2853h, 4118m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
I cannot fathom your meaning.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 5p, 11870en, 18372w elrxb-
You remove 1 faeleaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 59.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w elrxb-
You eat a stalk of faeleaf.
Blessed sight returns to you.
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w elrx-
You are:
2853h, 4318m, 4562e, 6p, 11870en, 18396w lrx-
***** SERPENT: Going down in ten.
This is not about the knight in question (name removed), but clearly this level of damage is possible. I think that either dodging formulas need to be vastly improved (preferably), or if that is impossible then knight damage needs to be reexamined.
In the second log the four strikes brought my head wounds down to 18%. The attacking knight had 14 dexterity, while I had 18.
I really think this sort of thing should be toned down. I'm all for having powerful knights being able to dominate weaker races, but I don't believe it should be quite as easy as getting two combos in. I'm a level 74 Faeling that considered the knight in question 60% of my might. I'm not expecting to be able to win in a damage competition, but I should last a lot longer than around 10 seconds.
For those who say rebounding and shielding are hazards, most knights I've fought can raze both of these and strike again before I can put them back up. Webbing/transfixing/paralysing stops a knights offense, yes, but it stops ANYONE's main offense.
If dodging and parrying is supposed to compensate for incredibly powerful strikes when they do land, then such avoidance should be much more common than one out of every five blows. I am near to the smallest, most dextrous, and most combat-proficient that you can get. If this is the highest rate of dodging, I shudder to think of how often other races get to avoid such devastating blows.
Morik2005-06-20 08:13:57
What are your other stats?
EDIT: You said you're trans combat, myth resistance.
EDIT: You said you're trans combat, myth resistance.
Thorgal2005-06-20 08:30:47
Well see, he was using lunges, which ignore parry and stance, and do double wound damage...and even if you would be able to parry or dodge, it wouldn't have helped you at all, since they regain balance double as fast from a missed, dodged or parried hit.
You also shouldn't have to hide the name just cause some out of whack moderator decides to abuse his priveleges cause he doesn't want his character's class downgraded.
You also shouldn't have to hide the name just cause some out of whack moderator decides to abuse his priveleges cause he doesn't want his character's class downgraded.
Shiri2005-06-20 08:32:51
I'm beginning to think this is a problem of knights being too tanky. Best armour, and best health, and they ONLY want to seem to test on themselves, which is how they come up with these ridiculous figures they use to justify this crap.
Elryn2005-06-20 08:35:53
QUOTE
Common Skills    Rank     Pool
-------------Â Â Â Â ------------Â ------------
Combat        Transcendent Melee
Resilience      Mythical   Fitness
Discernment     Transcendent Intellect
Magic        Fabled    Arcana
Planar        Transcendent Mysticism
Discipline      Transcendent Willpower
Environment     Transcendent Communion
Influence      Transcendent Magnetism
Riding        Transcendent Magnetism
Arts         Transcendent Finearts
Lowmagic       Transcendent Arcana
Trade Skills     Rank     Pool
-------------Â Â Â Â ------------Â ------------
Jewelry       Transcendent Finearts
Guild Skills     Rank     Pool
-------------Â Â Â Â ------------Â ------------
Nature        Transcendent Mysticism
 Druidry
Totems        Transcendent Arcana
 Stag
Dreamweaving     Transcendent Willpower
QUOTE
Dreamcrafter Elryn Greythane
 Strength  : 8 Dexterity : 18 Constitution : 9
 Intelligence : 15 Size   : 4 Charisma  : 16
 Strength  : 8 Dexterity : 18 Constitution : 9
 Intelligence : 15 Size   : 4 Charisma  : 16
QUOTE
You are in complete control of your waking mind.
You have skin covered in treebark.
You are deflecting incoming projectiles.
You are rooted.
You have the hide of the stag protecting your body.
You have empowered your blue chakra.
The pull of the earth roots you more firmly to the ground.
Your vision is heightened to see in the dark.
You are lipreading to overcome deafness.
You are feeling quite selfish.
You have ingested the kafe bean and are feeling extremely energetic.
Your mind is sensing the death of others.
You are viewing the world through the third eye.
You are protected by 13 defences.
SPIRITS:
The spirit of squirrel grants you the ability to forage.
The spirit of skunk grants you the dubious gift of stink.
Make others flee with the power of the spirit of crow.
Burrow through the ground with the spirit of groundhog.
In the presence of mystic trees, be healed by virtue of the spirit of tree.
You gain the ability to trueswim and breathe underwater by the spirit of trout.
The spirit of bear grants you great strength.
Run free and fast like the spirit of stag.
The spirit of monkey grants you the ability to move about the trees.
Leap over obstacles by virtue of the spirit of horse.
Find courage within yourself by the spirit of wolf.
Under the night sky, your mana replenishes, a gift from the spirit of the moon.
Resist venoms by virtue of the spirit of snake.
You have skin covered in treebark.
You are deflecting incoming projectiles.
You are rooted.
You have the hide of the stag protecting your body.
You have empowered your blue chakra.
The pull of the earth roots you more firmly to the ground.
Your vision is heightened to see in the dark.
You are lipreading to overcome deafness.
You are feeling quite selfish.
You have ingested the kafe bean and are feeling extremely energetic.
Your mind is sensing the death of others.
You are viewing the world through the third eye.
You are protected by 13 defences.
SPIRITS:
The spirit of squirrel grants you the ability to forage.
The spirit of skunk grants you the dubious gift of stink.
Make others flee with the power of the spirit of crow.
Burrow through the ground with the spirit of groundhog.
In the presence of mystic trees, be healed by virtue of the spirit of tree.
You gain the ability to trueswim and breathe underwater by the spirit of trout.
The spirit of bear grants you great strength.
Run free and fast like the spirit of stag.
The spirit of monkey grants you the ability to move about the trees.
Leap over obstacles by virtue of the spirit of horse.
Find courage within yourself by the spirit of wolf.
Under the night sky, your mana replenishes, a gift from the spirit of the moon.
Resist venoms by virtue of the spirit of snake.
Icarus2005-06-20 09:50:13
In all of both logs, Ixion was using Lunge except the first two strikes, which missed and rebounded. Lunge goes through shield and parry and cost 2P. I can see your frustration but Ixion is the highest damage warrior in the whole realm, an extreme which should not be used as an example.
If he were using normal strikes against your stanced body part, he would miss 3 out of 4 hits, perhaps more. If you were fighting someone other than Ixion, you would probably last a bit longer.
EDIT: I meant Lunge goes through Stance and Parry, not Shield.
If he were using normal strikes against your stanced body part, he would miss 3 out of 4 hits, perhaps more. If you were fighting someone other than Ixion, you would probably last a bit longer.
EDIT: I meant Lunge goes through Stance and Parry, not Shield.
Murphy2005-06-20 09:51:51
You're an unspecialised faeling.
You're not meant to have the same balance as other races, the only person to succeed as a non specialised race is terenas, as a merian.
I do however see the need for someone with 3k health to not take 1.8k a combo (which is around what I do with my new weapons too) Henceforth I sugest knight damage to be a little more % based than it already is.
your taking 1.8k out of 2.8k max is a little rough in my opinion. You can have your changes when my size doesn't hurt me so much when being webbed.
Also don't forget that he is one of 3 maybe 4 knights TOTAL in the game that can do that sort of damage. The Damage knights like that here are Me, Daevos, Ixion and Icarus.....3 out of 4 are magnagorian its frustrating for you yes, but on the same note its a very very VERY small minority of knights who have the right artifacts weapon race combo.
Remove resilience from the skillset list and it will make damage so much easier to balance, and also look at the % based too. Perhaps someone with high HP will take more HP that wounds, and someone with small hp take more wounds.
Or even have a "stance" low down in the combat skillset that alters the damage you take. IE "wounding stance" to reduce wounding but increase damage taken, and a "damage stance" that increases the wounds you take but reduces the total HP damage done. That way against a high damage knight you can take advantage of his low precision to let more wounds through in return for taking less damage.
What sort of damage is reasonable for someone with 3k health? 1.4k? 1.2k?
You're not meant to have the same balance as other races, the only person to succeed as a non specialised race is terenas, as a merian.
I do however see the need for someone with 3k health to not take 1.8k a combo (which is around what I do with my new weapons too) Henceforth I sugest knight damage to be a little more % based than it already is.
your taking 1.8k out of 2.8k max is a little rough in my opinion. You can have your changes when my size doesn't hurt me so much when being webbed.
Also don't forget that he is one of 3 maybe 4 knights TOTAL in the game that can do that sort of damage. The Damage knights like that here are Me, Daevos, Ixion and Icarus.....3 out of 4 are magnagorian its frustrating for you yes, but on the same note its a very very VERY small minority of knights who have the right artifacts weapon race combo.
Remove resilience from the skillset list and it will make damage so much easier to balance, and also look at the % based too. Perhaps someone with high HP will take more HP that wounds, and someone with small hp take more wounds.
Or even have a "stance" low down in the combat skillset that alters the damage you take. IE "wounding stance" to reduce wounding but increase damage taken, and a "damage stance" that increases the wounds you take but reduces the total HP damage done. That way against a high damage knight you can take advantage of his low precision to let more wounds through in return for taking less damage.
What sort of damage is reasonable for someone with 3k health? 1.4k? 1.2k?
Unknown2005-06-20 09:53:18
It seems the only person who will fight me these days is Ixion, who can kill me in one haymaker or 5 slashes. Never have dodged against him.
Shiri2005-06-20 10:01:38
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 20 2005, 10:51 AM)
You're an unspecialised faeling.
You're not meant to have the same balance as other races, the only person to succeed as a non specialised race is terenas, as a merian.
I do however see the need for someone with 3k health to not take 1.8k a combo (which is around what I do with my new weapons too) Henceforth I sugest knight damage to be a little more % based than it already is.
your taking 1.8k out of 2.8k max is a little rough in my opinion. You can have your changes when my size doesn't hurt me so much when being webbed.
Also don't forget that he is one of 3 maybe 4 knights TOTAL in the game that can do that sort of damage. The Damage knights like that here are Me, Daevos, Ixion and Icarus.....3 out of 4 are magnagorian its frustrating for you yes, but on the same note its a very very VERY small minority of knights who have the right artifacts weapon race combo.
Remove resilience from the skillset list and it will make damage so much easier to balance, and also look at the % based too. Perhaps someone with high HP will take more HP that wounds, and someone with small hp take more wounds.
Or even have a "stance" low down in the combat skillset that alters the damage you take. IE "wounding stance" to reduce wounding but increase damage taken, and a "damage stance" that increases the wounds you take but reduces the total HP damage done. That way against a high damage knight you can take advantage of his low precision to let more wounds through in return for taking less damage.
What sort of damage is reasonable for someone with 3k health? 1.4k? 1.2k?
You're not meant to have the same balance as other races, the only person to succeed as a non specialised race is terenas, as a merian.
I do however see the need for someone with 3k health to not take 1.8k a combo (which is around what I do with my new weapons too) Henceforth I sugest knight damage to be a little more % based than it already is.
your taking 1.8k out of 2.8k max is a little rough in my opinion. You can have your changes when my size doesn't hurt me so much when being webbed.
Also don't forget that he is one of 3 maybe 4 knights TOTAL in the game that can do that sort of damage. The Damage knights like that here are Me, Daevos, Ixion and Icarus.....3 out of 4 are magnagorian its frustrating for you yes, but on the same note its a very very VERY small minority of knights who have the right artifacts weapon race combo.
Remove resilience from the skillset list and it will make damage so much easier to balance, and also look at the % based too. Perhaps someone with high HP will take more HP that wounds, and someone with small hp take more wounds.
Or even have a "stance" low down in the combat skillset that alters the damage you take. IE "wounding stance" to reduce wounding but increase damage taken, and a "damage stance" that increases the wounds you take but reduces the total HP damage done. That way against a high damage knight you can take advantage of his low precision to let more wounds through in return for taking less damage.
What sort of damage is reasonable for someone with 3k health? 1.4k? 1.2k?
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Just while we're on that note, a faeling actually has a better chance to survive that than most races. 1 less con, 2 more sipping bonus. So "unspecialised faelings suck" isn't the answer to that.
1.2k sounds fine. 1.4k is less fine, but I'm not sure. 1.8k is too freaking much. :/
Murphy2005-06-20 10:09:30
Ok a knight with 180 total damage weapons and 16 str in my opinion should do 1k a combo to elryn.
a knight with 200 damage weapons and no artifacts (its possible trust me) should do 1.2k. with the same str
An elemental knight with 200-210 weapons and the same strength should do 1.5k to Elryn in a combo.
The knight in question has crazy high stats, Its like me saying moondancers are overpowered because of Tuek and Narsrim
No, Tuek is overpowered, moondancers are not.
Hence, the knight in question may be overpowered, but knight damage and combat in general is not.
a knight with 200 damage weapons and no artifacts (its possible trust me) should do 1.2k. with the same str
An elemental knight with 200-210 weapons and the same strength should do 1.5k to Elryn in a combo.
The knight in question has crazy high stats, Its like me saying moondancers are overpowered because of Tuek and Narsrim
No, Tuek is overpowered, moondancers are not.
Hence, the knight in question may be overpowered, but knight damage and combat in general is not.
Ceres2005-06-20 10:29:26
If I could buy godhood for 20k credits, it'd be fine.
Yep.
Yep.
Amaru2005-06-20 10:58:33
Sorry Elryn, but I can't sympathise with you here. In the same way Imperial Merians are destined to always be pathetic, unspecialised faelings will always be a very weak race. You can't expect to be able to stand head to head with a massive warrior currently as a faeling.
The problem for me is 'surely it makes roleplay sense that faelings should make good Hartstone', and that's a race/class issue which needs addressing. Lunging ignores stances and never misses, so that can't be applied here.
Edit: I do think there are ways a faeling Hartstone could be effective, if you were fast and dynamic enough. For example, tumbling around and using your speed to keep him vined and restricted for the few seconds you enter the room, making him walk through briar walls and demesnes to reach you - all these sorts of frustrating tactics I think could be pulled off as a faeling, and you seem to lack creativity in that sense.
You picked a difficult race to fight with, you need to counteract that by thinking of some new ways to fight.
The problem for me is 'surely it makes roleplay sense that faelings should make good Hartstone', and that's a race/class issue which needs addressing. Lunging ignores stances and never misses, so that can't be applied here.
Edit: I do think there are ways a faeling Hartstone could be effective, if you were fast and dynamic enough. For example, tumbling around and using your speed to keep him vined and restricted for the few seconds you enter the room, making him walk through briar walls and demesnes to reach you - all these sorts of frustrating tactics I think could be pulled off as a faeling, and you seem to lack creativity in that sense.
You picked a difficult race to fight with, you need to counteract that by thinking of some new ways to fight.
Unknown2005-06-20 11:09:50
I think the ability itself, Lunge, is ridiculous. Ignoring parry, stancing, and rebounding. Supposedly the protections against the insane damage. You have enough power to strike usually around 6 lunges straight (due to power regeneration). This is enough to kill just about anyone outright, and no amount of parrying, stancing, or rebounding will help.
Amaru2005-06-20 11:17:37
Nah, give warriors a chance. All they have are these simple, physical attacks. If it weren't for lunge, a good parryer and stancer could just render a warrior useless. As it is, something as simple as a web makes them useless. They need to have some kind of chance, lunge is fine.
Wounding right now, I'm not so keen on. And knockdown, but that's another story.
Wounding right now, I'm not so keen on. And knockdown, but that's another story.
Murphy2005-06-20 11:27:53
just have knockdown the way it usedto be so i can whore it like old times, youll be begging to go back
Amaru2005-06-20 11:36:19
It annoys me that even by parrying and stancing legs I can't avoid it. Because if I do, there's the stupid gut balance-disrupt attack which is just as bad. I don't see why bonecrushers need such restrictive damage attacks.
Elryn2005-06-20 12:59:26
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 20 2005, 08:09 PM)
The knight in question has crazy high stats, Its like me saying moondancers are overpowered because of Tuek and Narsrim
No, Tuek is overpowered, moondancers are not.
Hence, the knight in question may be overpowered, but knight damage and combat in general is not.
No, Tuek is overpowered, moondancers are not.
Hence, the knight in question may be overpowered, but knight damage and combat in general is not.
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That argument is akin to balancing knight damage around those with adept resilience. You simply can't make the assumption that only a few will transcend their skills... similarly you have to balance around people who have taken full advantage of skills, weaponry, racial bonuses and artifacts. You consider the best knights, and bring them into line.
As for unspecialized Faelings being disadvantaged, I think there is a limit there. Aside from the stupidity of the Faeling specialization concept, all races should be equally capable (to within a small margin) in combat. Combat is the IRE method of character interaction, resolution, roleplay and advancement. Faelings should be weak if they take damage, yes, but they should also be very difficult to hit to balance it. Merian are also slightly weak if they are constantly taking damage, but in return they are fast and very powerful if they choose to go onto the attack.
Amaru2005-06-20 13:16:07
Sadly your arguments on specialisation aren't accepted by the designers. That's why Lucidian aren't up to scratch - they need to be open for future specialisations.
In my opinion, every race should be potent in itself. Specialisations should reduce certain advantages (str) and add others (int) but the original race itself should be powerful.
In my opinion, every race should be potent in itself. Specialisations should reduce certain advantages (str) and add others (int) but the original race itself should be powerful.
Thorgal2005-06-20 13:26:48
Oh and Murphy, your "removing resilience will fix everything", isn't gonna happen, it'll screw with everyone's bashing ability as well, next to nerfing venom shrugging and barely having any effect on elemental knights anyway...not a very viable solution.
Removing elemental runes is the only way to balance this kind of damage, the gap between knights with elemental runes and knights without, is bigger than the damn Grand Canyon.
You could have elemental runes convert 10% of the damage, which will still result in ~150 more damage per blow, and give them an added effect, like 25% chance to:
- chill (cold rune), set ablaze (fire rune), extra charybdon (poison run), give epilepsy (lightning rune), or convert 50% into magic (magic rune).
Removing elemental runes is the only way to balance this kind of damage, the gap between knights with elemental runes and knights without, is bigger than the damn Grand Canyon.
You could have elemental runes convert 10% of the damage, which will still result in ~150 more damage per blow, and give them an added effect, like 25% chance to:
- chill (cold rune), set ablaze (fire rune), extra charybdon (poison run), give epilepsy (lightning rune), or convert 50% into magic (magic rune).
Elryn2005-06-20 16:30:22
QUOTE(Amaru @ Jun 20 2005, 11:16 PM)
Sadly your arguments on specialisation aren't accepted by the designers. That's why Lucidian aren't up to scratch - they need to be open for future specialisations.
In my opinion, every race should be potent in itself. Specialisations should reduce certain advantages (str) and add others (int) but the original race itself should be powerful.
In my opinion, every race should be potent in itself. Specialisations should reduce certain advantages (str) and add others (int) but the original race itself should be powerful.
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Specializations in general are fine. Its only one hastily assembled one that I have a problem with.
Regardless, I think that the knight changes are far from over.
