QUOTE(Thorgal @ Jun 20 2005, 06:26 AM)
Oh and Murphy, your "removing resilience will fix everything", isn't gonna happen, it'll screw with everyone's bashing ability as well, next to nerfing venom shrugging and barely having any effect on elemental knights anyway...not a very viable solution.
Removing elemental runes is the only way to balance this kind of damage, the gap between knights with elemental runes and knights without, is bigger than the damn Grand Canyon.
You could have elemental runes convert 10% of the damage, which will still result in ~150 more damage per blow, and give them an added effect, like 25% chance to:
- chill (cold rune), set ablaze (fire rune), extra charybdon (poison run), give epilepsy (lightning rune), or convert 50% into magic (magic rune).
Removing elemental runes is the only way to balance this kind of damage, the gap between knights with elemental runes and knights without, is bigger than the damn Grand Canyon.
You could have elemental runes convert 10% of the damage, which will still result in ~150 more damage per blow, and give them an added effect, like 25% chance to:
- chill (cold rune), set ablaze (fire rune), extra charybdon (poison run), give epilepsy (lightning rune), or convert 50% into magic (magic rune).
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Maybe the problem is that CON is just too important. You can't fight unless you break 5k health, or so I've been told, which a Faeling would probably only be able to reach as a demigod.
I think mage and guardian damage is fairly reasonable... even with artifacts I've rarely seen it devastating to a prepared target. High-level knights just need to be brought back to realistic figures, or general non-knight defence needs to be upgraded. If this means upgrading base damage slightly to compensate, fine, but dealing 2/3 of max health, ignoring parrying and stancing, causing significant wound damage and wound afflictions, and possibly afflicting via poison... it is too much.
The other thing that I don't like but probably will never be changed is that the only way to dodge is via active combat knowledge. I think the parrying system works well, but I'd like to see a base racial dodge independent of skill that is slightly modified by stances. (Aside from the fact stances are a poor choice of word for a flying race
) It seems to me that even an untrained Furrikin is elusive and dextrous enough to occasionally avoid a huge orc methodically swinging his huge sword. Not as much as if he has spent his 300 credits on training how to avoid blows to certain body parts if he's expecting them, but still a significant amount. It's crazy that unless I as a Faeling can anticipate which body part will be attacked, I can't dodge at all. There's really not all that difference in a swing aimed at my arm to a swing aimed at my leg. If I can avoid the first, wouldn't I be avoiding the second as well?
I think mage and guardian damage is fairly reasonable... even with artifacts I've rarely seen it devastating to a prepared target. High-level knights just need to be brought back to realistic figures, or general non-knight defence needs to be upgraded. If this means upgrading base damage slightly to compensate, fine, but dealing 2/3 of max health, ignoring parrying and stancing, causing significant wound damage and wound afflictions, and possibly afflicting via poison... it is too much.
The other thing that I don't like but probably will never be changed is that the only way to dodge is via active combat knowledge. I think the parrying system works well, but I'd like to see a base racial dodge independent of skill that is slightly modified by stances. (Aside from the fact stances are a poor choice of word for a flying race
) It seems to me that even an untrained Furrikin is elusive and dextrous enough to occasionally avoid a huge orc methodically swinging his huge sword. Not as much as if he has spent his 300 credits on training how to avoid blows to certain body parts if he's expecting them, but still a significant amount. It's crazy that unless I as a Faeling can anticipate which body part will be attacked, I can't dodge at all. There's really not all that difference in a swing aimed at my arm to a swing aimed at my leg. If I can avoid the first, wouldn't I be avoiding the second as well?QUOTE(Elryn @ Jun 20 2005, 11:31 PM)
The other thing that I don't like but probably will never be changed is that the only way to dodge is via active combat knowledge. I think the parrying system works well, but I'd like to see a base racial dodge independent of skill that is slightly modified by stances. (Aside from the fact stances are a poor choice of word for a flying race ) It seems to me that even an untrained Furrikin is elusive and dextrous enough to occasionally avoid a huge orc methodically swinging his huge sword. Not as much as if he has spent his 300 credits on training how to avoid blows to certain body parts if he's expecting them, but still a significant amount. It's crazy that unless I as a Faeling can anticipate which body part will be attacked, I can't dodge at all. There's really not all that difference in a swing aimed at my arm to a swing aimed at my leg. If I can avoid the first, wouldn't I be avoiding the second as well?
) It seems to me that even an untrained Furrikin is elusive and dextrous enough to occasionally avoid a huge orc methodically swinging his huge sword. Not as much as if he has spent his 300 credits on training how to avoid blows to certain body parts if he's expecting them, but still a significant amount. It's crazy that unless I as a Faeling can anticipate which body part will be attacked, I can't dodge at all. There's really not all that difference in a swing aimed at my arm to a swing aimed at my leg. If I can avoid the first, wouldn't I be avoiding the second as well?142190
Sorry, I'm not really that much interested in knights, but wasn't there a change to make DEX useful exactly for that, passive dodging?
A nice logical and thought-provoking argument there, Murphy.
Perhaps if you gave reasons or quotes for your opinion we would all find it more valid.
All I've seen recently is you either complaining about how unfair everything is, or fighting tooth and nail to deny all claims that knights might be doing too much damage.
Your last ten posts:
- A response to a response to a complaint of yours.
- A suggestion to have behead fire at 0 wounds (this is just stupid)
- Advising someone who dies to knight damage to "Get more levels and learn to fight better"
- A complaint about necromancy being weaker than Sacraments (again)
- A complaint about how knights "have trouble" at "higher ends of combat"
- Suggesting that resilience stops shrugging venoms
- A defence of the above suggestion
- Dubious enthusiasm towards a suggestion that gives elemental runes the ability to afflict more at the cost of their damage
- Suggesting that resilience is removed entirely
- This.
Perhaps if you gave reasons or quotes for your opinion we would all find it more valid.
All I've seen recently is you either complaining about how unfair everything is, or fighting tooth and nail to deny all claims that knights might be doing too much damage.
Your last ten posts:
- A response to a response to a complaint of yours.
- A suggestion to have behead fire at 0 wounds (this is just stupid)
- Advising someone who dies to knight damage to "Get more levels and learn to fight better"
- A complaint about necromancy being weaker than Sacraments (again)
- A complaint about how knights "have trouble" at "higher ends of combat"
- Suggesting that resilience stops shrugging venoms
- A defence of the above suggestion
- Dubious enthusiasm towards a suggestion that gives elemental runes the ability to afflict more at the cost of their damage
- Suggesting that resilience is removed entirely
- This.
