Yep!

God. I'd call you an idiot and follow it up with a slue of childish insults and ask if you know what the acronym RP stood for, but I know full well you DO know what they mean.

That said, the Blacktalon took a very good stance recently, at least in my opinion - they see through the Eye of Crow. If Crow does not wish to see Taint, they do not see Taint. They see the Gloriana, exactly as Crow wants them to see it - precisely how Viravain sees it. Viravain cannot see Taint - Crow does not let his followers see Taint. At least in the Glomdoring, perhaps no where at all. If they do not see Taint, you're right, SURVEY says Tainted Forest. But, at the same time, all SURVEYing is is looking around you and summarizing what you see. Go outside (For some this may be a very, very difficult thing), and look around. Then write down the type of terrain, and where you think you are. It's all based on perspective - however, the code doesn't recognize perspective, now does it?

Why do you hang on the fact they're Tainted? Seriously - it's irrelevant. Erion and Auseklis used to talk a lot about Tainted Nature. You're right, Nature in the Glomdoring isn't the same Nature as Serenwilde. Same as my form of homo sapien sapien isn't the same as the black guy in the next cubicle. We're bot human beings, but he's also at high risk for sickle-cell anemia. He's also black, and has dark, short curly hair - which is very different from my soft, light, brown hair with white-blonde highlights.

...We're both still humans. We just look different. I might have a kinky spot for S&M and cute boys, and he might be a strict, religious man who believes sex is solely for the purpouse of reproduction. I might work to live, he might live to work. I might enjoy glutting myself on chocolate cake, he might think chocolate is disgusting. I might have a metabolism that keeps me at 146 lbs irrelevant of how much I eat. He might weigh four hundred some odd pounds.

So the hell what? We're different. Serenwilde is pure, about life and all aspects of it. Glomdoring is very much afraid of birth, and lives in the space between just before death and just before birth - and intends to never fully die, and never intends to truely see anything birthed that is pure and uninfested.

I really wish you'ld stop thinking this has anything at ALL to do with the Serenwilde. Ever consider perhaps they brought the Glomdoring in because a lot of people were putting forth serious amounts of RP, and there was obvious interest in it's formation.

And, I do agree. A hostility increase between Serenwilde/Celest needs to form. And, the same between Glom/Mag. Force Glom/Seren into an uneasy alliance - or at least make the formation of one far easier on everyone involved. Make a push on both city sides for the control of Fae, turning them into Cherubs and Imps.

I also want General Tso's chicken for lunch. However, China Garden doesn't deliver 486 miles. So, as you and many other serens said when we were crying foul long before Glom was up, back with world-wide wisp...

"Live with it."

From the histories this is how I perceive things.

Soulless bodies buried in the earth the Fae got all sick Ellindel somehow healed the Fae yaddy ya. Ketheru taint = destruction

Project Cosmic hope releases the taint but somehow the fae are resistant. Cosmic Hope taint = Change

If the taints are the same then why does one destroy and why does one merely change.

I think the Cosmic Hope taint changed Glomdoring but it retained its bond to Nature. Raven wasnt destroyed he evolved into Crow. So in affect Glomdoring is just a different sort of Nature than Serenwilde, but nature still the same because the Nature aspect of Gloriana was not destroyed.

Like I told Elryn

Taint = Acid
Nature = Base
Glomdoring = Water

Please let that make sense.. I am half alseep

Could be just a weaker version of the same thing. A little poison can mearly weaken the body while a stronger dose can kill it. Given that, the current taint can be described as a venom, not destroying the host completely but ailing it, sickening it without an apperant recovery. Nature lovers may nod their head at a dead tree and say "it's the circle of life" but they'll still heal a rabbit with a wounded paw or a tree with a desease. Glom and it's spirits are nature, yes, but in deep need of a doctor.

*recommends Glomdoring, Night, and Crow take 2 asprin and to call her in the morning*

Though a poison CAN be shrugged off. Glom could still claim that they were hit by the taint then changed to overcome it and be cured by it. Then they could consider themselves not only Natural, but strong enough to succeed in their mission - stand against the taint. Of course I wouldn't mind seeing proof that they are taintless currently (both OOC and IC me would LOVE to see an explaination for why they have to kill and bind up the fae just to get some help: why do the fae not trust them still and why do they have to use 'civilianlike violence' (pure IC comment there) like they do.)

That was actually not Kethuru (or at least we assume it isn't), that was another soulless trapped in the earth after the divine wars. The Kethuru taint is the project cosmic hope taint. Both were anathema to the fae.


And as I said, I don't see taint as something you can mix in certain amounts like ingredients of a cake. You don't take half taint and half nature and get Glomdoring, just like you can't take half Light and half taint and get demon lords. They aren't just darker aspects of the Light, they are completely changed from their original form into cruel, demonic masters.

I'm sorry, but there is no way I can see the demon lords as part of the Light, just taking on darker aspects that were already there. In the same vein, I cannot see Glomdoring as part of Nature, just taking on the darker aspects that were already there.

Something is either tainted or it is not, there is little room for a gradual scale.

A little delayed, but this is an argument you use all the time. I scoured the histories for evidence of this, but found none... instead I found the following:



Am I misreading?

Emenations are not, where not, nor ever could have/will be aspects of LIGHT. They aren't. That's CELESTIA ONLY. Continuum and Vortex are NOT aspects of Light, NOR was Shallamar. Shallamar was Truth/Fate. The Taint did not "completely change" them. It altered the perspective on them, yes. It took the Queen of Beauty, a woman of great beauty and attraction, and turned her into a sadistic, sensual woman. She's still very beautiful, if you're into the whole S&M, mutilation thing.

And it very much is a case of taking one part Nature, one part Taint, mixing and cooking well. Using Lisaera's example from when we were discussing Soulless Gods and Elder Gods, you're looking at a cake. The flour was mixed with a bunch of other ingredients and baked well. Nature's still there, in another form. There's still flour in the cake - but it isn't the same white powder you're expecting.

The former was simply an example. That's like saying, "Erion's as mean as a whore with rabbies". Is Erion suddenly a whore with rabbies? No.

As to the latter, it could be said in err. Or, more likely, this:

Celest was the first city in the Basin. As it grew in population, and the discovery of other planes beyond Water and Celestia, more cities were formed. Gaudiguch, Hallifax, and finally Magnagora. These three cities still fell under the rule of the Holy Celestine Empire. They followed the Light, but more because their leader was the Light, not out of any pre-determined or self-determined formations.

The taint did not change what the Demon Lords are. The are still Supernals they just do not represent what they once did. So is the same with Glomdoring. It is still nature just not as it was.

And, as an addendum to my previous post: The Holy Supernals of Celestia were viewed as enigmatic immortal beings of Light and Love. But we do know they aren't all lovey-dovey - Celestia, for the most part, represents a very volatile and violent nature. You're basing your arguement by the single statement by a mugwump with a big ego

Ninja'd?

Edit: Rereading the histories, I noticed that pretty much everyone from the Empire used 'Light' in a form of epithet... not just those from Old Celest. I suspect it represents the philsophy of the Empire as a whole, and at the very least both Shallamar and Celestia, if not the other two as well.

They aren't Supernals, they're Emanations. BIG difference. Firstly, they're weaker. Secondly, they represent Truth/Fate, not Light. They still represent what they once did - maybe just a different aspect of it. It's like staring at a broken mirror - you see things a bit differently, but you're still seeing yourself (or whatever's around you, if you're a vampire).

Actually, I'm on Mod-review. Those posts were made nearly an hour ago. Well before you posted.

Yeah, sorry, there's only so fast I can go when I'm playing Fallout Tactics, watching Paranoia Agent, and being attacked by social workers.

And I think when they get approved they just jump onto the end of a topic rather than where they were posted.

EDIT: Wait, no they don't, but whatever.

Yea. I'm not complaining - I find it utterly amusing. It's better than being banned, and I get to snigger at the fact that some poor Mod has to go through 'em.

... yes, if you want to redefine the word 'nature', sure. You can probably still call a demon lord an emanation too if you wanted. Though I bet Magnagora's players would be a tad unhappy if Luciphage started riding around on discs of light making peace, and went back to saying 'light and love' all the time.

Where are people getting the truth/fate but oh gods not light business from?

Just as a Glommer would be mad if Crow turned into Raven and went to snuggle with Hart, or how a Seren would be if Hart suddenly got tainted and had mansex with Crow.