Hmm.

I still find it interesting that the Serenwilde is so vehemently anti-Taint, but is allied closely with an organisation who seeks to emulate the Empire which actually caused it in the beginning.

It's not a criticism, but it's one of the more interesting things I've picked up on as far as political things go, along with what seems, at times, to be the immediate assumption that I am Tainted amongst many mortals.

Did I say anything about the lesser of two evils? Or justifying a Celenwilde alliance?

I'm simply pointing out it would be silly to make Celest poisonous to nature, or some such contrivance. Instead, I want the threat posed by Celest to be against the Serenwilde itself, not nature in general.

I'm feeling very unimaginative, but maybe Celest could decide that the Light holds enlightenment above all other pursuits, and the barbaric nature of commune life is a distraction that hampers the efforts of their most powerful magics. A circle of archmagi in the city meditate and reach out with their magics to soothe and calm the villagers under their control using the healing properties of the Water element. Depending on how many magi can concentrate at one time, the villages will remain influenced for longer or less than normal. This is directly related to the number of chanting Druids scattered throughout the Serenwilde (the parallel of magi). More Druids mean less Magi can focus their minds amidst the chaotic nature magics. More Magi mean less Druids can hear the music of the forests above the powerful elemental energies. A quest to increase/decrease each could be derived. An identical situation could be set up for Glomdoring/Magnagora.

Glomdoring should not have become "pure". I agree with that, They should have remained the dark forest, however, bringing Crow back to Raven, and rescuing Night from the taint, does not mean Glomdoring would be Glorianna. Raven could very well retain some dark aspect of himself due to his time as Crow. Night will always be dark and mysterious, and taint or no taint that can be played on easily.

We don't need one peacie naturey snuggly commune.

And I wish Glomdoring could have been another Ithaqua as well.

As far as peacy snuggly forest goes. I have said it before.

Serenwilde has become the forest without mercy.
Glomdoring has become the forest curled up in the fetal position. (although this has slowly been changing)

That's right. Glomdoring is snuggly enough.

Glomdoring faces much more of a challenge than anyone else, same way Hallifax and such will if they ever arrive. In the beginning the goal was to draw in the new players to build your base, the goal of GLomdoring now is to convince people to leave their home to join Glom. This is a much harder goal to achieve.

The Celestians rp centers around destroying the taint and they actively fight against it.

Not all of the Serens are vehemently anti-taint. Some merely have a horrible opinion of Magnagora based off of their treatment of us. Who likes to be picked on? Taint or not, would you ignore it? The fact that they're tainted feeds into the hype.

We don't trust the cities. Personally, I'm wary of them.

...I hate to sound simple but, the Celestians don't hurt Serens. They don't go out of their way to make our lives hell. For now.

There are only a handful of Serens that are aggressively anti-taint. Most of them want peace and to be left alone. But we can't have that, can we? Without conflict, Lusternia would flounder.

I will also add that, while I enjoy this topic and find it enlightening to see what others think. It is these sorts of threads on the forums that are killing the RP of Lusternia. Nobody propoganda's their beliefs in Lusternia for fear of IC reprisal, instead we all rush to the forums because we hope for some distance seperating our OOC views from our IC views, all the while arguing our IC views.

I dont know, I could be wrong but, I haven't seen Mag really actively seek to grief Serenwilde as a whole. They raid Celestia regularly but its Serenwilde, a few, who rush up there to help defend a plane not of their own. The most active griefing Magnagora has done of Serenwilde as far as I can see is helping Glom on Faethorn, which is mainly because Magnagora was seeking to get on Gloms good side to combat this ESA alliance that was already coming.

I agree with Gregori, and so that's why I try to focus my comments -mainly- on the mechanics and setup of the political landscape, not the current political goings-on. I was hoping, and still am hoping, that this topic will veer more in that direction than in a discussion of the ESA and Mag/Glom alliances.

I think discussing this in character is a bit difficult though. Its hard for Elryn to say, "Give Celest a weapon to strike at us so we lose our power!"

I would like to see Magnagora drop the evil role and stick a little truer to Raezon rather than Fain. If Magnagora ceased to act assinine (as a conglomerate entity) then things would become much more interesting. If Magnagora can stop viewing the taint = fain, and think of it as another form of energy, then there will be a lot of interesting things possible from there.

Id really like to see a Magnagora/Celest alliance, but I know that players wouldnt allow it to occur.

Serenwilde I find to be a bit odd in all this, as two of its three guilds lack a real role. (Though major congrats to Gwyl on his attempt to make one for the Serenguard.)

I really really really really really didnt like how Glomdoring played out. Personally I was hoping for a divine like Shikari at the start. The lack of fanaticism concerning taint is comforting though. I have to say the biggest thing that pissed me off politically about the whole ordeal was when the Avatars suddenly became all "KILL SERENWILDE". Meh.

It was the propoganda arguements I was addressing. Not the mechanics arguements.

Well if you consider the likes of Tuek and Narsrim constantly assassinated the Night Avatars then maybe it makes sense for them to say KILL SERENWILDE. Maybe thats just me but Serenwilde was pretty opposing to them before they were even born.

When we first raised the Dark Dog it was fine, then about 10 minutes later he started ranting about how Moon needed to be destroyed etc. Right off the bat it was made painfully clear by the avatars that glomdoring was meant to bleed fighting serenwilde for the rest of its existance.

You are wrong. And since you are wrong, that means...



As I said before. You have no idea what you're talking about.

It was clear before that. Crow has always wanted White Hart dead. To say that this was caused after Glomdoring became a Commune, and because of Tuek and Narsrim, is simply a case of "I don't have a clue of what my mouth is spouting off."

Ouch Rhayni