Politics in Lusternia (not village politics)

by Nokraenom

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Silvenae2005-06-27 17:14:38
QUOTE(Malicia)
And Silvanae, attacking the fae is moving against the Serenwilde. Raiding the Serenwilde..is well, moving against us.


Uh. How often does Glomdoring raid Serenwilde? Do they have the man power to even do that if they WANTED to?

And it isn't as if Glomdoring madly storms ethereal for the sole purpose of slaying fae so that they can quench some insane bloodlust. In their eyes, they are not "killing" the fae. It's simply a matter of prespective.
Malicia2005-06-27 17:20:09
QUOTE(Who is Ninebreaker?)
If I remember correctly Glomdoring actually didn't want to get Rockholm, but Visaeris did. He was the only guy influencing. We shut down Rockholm, and had Visaeris influence the entire place. Visaeris got a lot of steam for doing that too. We get your point Malicia, but that was just a bad example.





If you get my point, then it wasn't such a bad example after all. Magnagora often assists the Glomdoring commune in most of their efforts. Hitting Faethorn and taking that village. In the other influencing runs I've seen Glommies actively helping Magnagora clear aqua or hartstone demesnes or holding sanctuary. The Mags also defended Gloms villages. That's fine and all. As I said, I'm not the one saying that you two should move away from each other.
Daganev2005-06-27 17:23:10
QUOTE(Malicia @ Jun 27 2005, 09:20 AM)
If you get my point, then it wasn't such a bad example after all. Magnagora often assists the Glomdoring commune in most of their efforts. Hitting Faethorn and taking that village. In the other influencing runs I've seen Glommies actively helping Magnagora clear aqua or hartstone demesnes or holding sanctuary. The Mags also defended Gloms villages. That's fine and all. As I said, I'm not the one saying that you two should move away from each other.
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That would be becuase Glomdoring itself has been trying to pull itself away from Magangora but didn't have the power to push them away.

Or are you ignoring your Seren posts that announce that Magnagora will no longer be helping glomdoring?
Malicia2005-06-27 17:29:40
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You mean the one I posted? Yes, Silvanus came to me and told me that Magnagora would no longer be assisting Glomdoring.. (they had a little falling out) and I posted it to the news boards. Not even a day later, Magnagora was right back on Ethereal with Glomdoring and so, we tossed it. That statement that Nokraenom posted to public concerning their involvment in the affairs of Glomdoring was utter crap. They never kept to it.

I hate alts. *peer Dag*
Daganev2005-06-27 17:33:55
Its nice that you hate alts, but you should just hate my sister who got confused with my perspective of events and the perspective she got as a moondancer tongue.gif
Like I have time to play alts? I barely have time to play Dag as much as I want to.


Wait, so are you saying because a couple individuals did one thing, and the politicans said another, that that means they were lieing?

*makes a friendly wave to Narsrim and Munsia*
Malicia2005-06-27 17:35:33
QUOTE(Daganev)
Wait, so are you saying because a couple individuals did one thing, and the politicans said another, that that means they were lieing?


Yes, especially when those couple individuals are Daevos, Murphy, Alger, Jadryga, etc, etc..
Daganev2005-06-27 17:38:34
Well, I can tell you that every one from Magangora was yelling at me because I was making it more difficult for them to try to help us.


Edit: Oh , and as for the peace treaty Glomdoring offered, I was basically trying to do what the Barak did in Israel. I.e. He Offered the Palestians everything, and they refused, thus proving to the people that Arafat was not really intersted in the wishes of the Palestian people. Since Daganev got word from the Serenguard that they wanted peace, he figured he could offer it. Afterall the worse that would happen is that there would peace and Glomdoring would be able to focus its energy on culture instead of fighting for power points. Or Better yet, get everyone so mad at Viravain that they would want a patron like Fain.
Xenthos2005-06-27 17:39:38
Silvenae, one thing that I have to say here... just because you did not see the RP happen does not mean there was more than a "instant shift". Heck, you can even read Jasper's thread about what formed your character and see that he had a fair bit there... and that's just the surface.
Nyla2005-06-27 17:40:01
QUOTE(Malicia @ Jun 27 2005, 11:55 AM)
Glomdoring's excuse for leaning on Magnagora- Celest and SW are picking on us!

Celest and SW's reason for working together- Magnagora and Glomdoring move against us.


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The Celest and Serenwilde alliance started waaaaaaaaay before GLomdoring was a commune Malicia. Celest was getting pounded on by Magnagora. Serenwilde was allied with Magnagora then the tainted fae event happened and Serenwilde and Magnagora went neutral. Celest was still getting pounded by Magnagora and some Seren would often go help to defend Celestia and what not which started the beginnings of the allying(?). Magnagora noticed Seren helping Celest and so started attacking Serenwilde and I mean there was also Narsrim killing the Demon Lords all the time, but I mean thats nothing to attack Serenwilde over huh? Serenwilde is the reason Celest has anything at all.

Glomdoring has done nothing to attack Celest in any way shape for form. It merely does so because it's tainted. Which is cool and all but dont think Glomdoring is going to sit around taking it up the rear from both of them on its own.

Also, Glomdoring doesnt 'move' against Serenwilde by killing fae any more than Serenwilde 'moves' against Glomdoring drugging the fae.
Elryn2005-06-28 00:48:07
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 28 2005, 03:14 AM)
And Gwyl, it was offered that Glomdoring would not touch the fae, and it is possible for Glomdoring to make that offer, because we did.  Its called self sacrifice, and Glomdoring is built on that concept.

1 guild out of 3 would have been hurt by that treaty, but they would have just had to suck it up.
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The shadowdancers would really have been willing to give up an entire skillset for as long as the treaty was in effect?
Daganev2005-06-28 02:38:20
Willing? Who knows, but Gwyn and Nayl were willing to enforce it if need be at that time. And at that point in history they would not have really had much choice.

Now, I don't think such a thing would be so easily done.
Unknown2005-06-28 04:26:51
Why not work together, Glomdoring and Mag? Yer both heathens and non-believers.
Shiri2005-06-28 04:32:41
You say that like they don't already?
Malicia2005-06-28 05:09:53
Yeah, they should. They already have. They're both tainted orgs. Like it or not, it is taint vs anti-taint.

Revan2005-06-28 05:17:34
It's that kind of thinking that dulls down the complex and enriching aspect of Lusternia. Don't chain yourselves to black and white. We're all smarter than that, for goodness sake
Ixion2005-06-28 05:27:00
Malicia, who from Magnagora has raided the fae on Ethereal, in the last IC year?

We could care less about your fae.

Not to target Malicia, and she might have been pointedly bias to flare emotions, but her 'I will never ever work with Taint or have anything to do with them as long as I'm a leader' standpoint even on clan channels is an idea that is plaguing Lusternia. Right now, Celest is encroaching more on the Wilde's territory than Magnagora has in years. Essentially, Magnagora has gone on the defensive, and as such, is no longer a threat in the form of raids to the Wilde. The fallacy, better known as the 'Ethereal Star Alliance,' should be proof enough that Celest is trying to deceive the Wilde in an endeavor to extort more from them
Shryke2005-06-28 05:32:08
woah, I think Ixion just dropped a bomb on yall..
Amaru2005-06-28 06:45:32
Haha, you mean Ixion is talking crap? Anyone can see that both parties are in this 'alliance' for themselves and that it is clearly working.
Unknown2005-06-28 06:48:46
QUOTE(Ixion @ Jun 28 2005, 03:27 PM)
Malicia, who from Magnagora has raided the fae on Ethereal, in the last IC year?
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Yrael is one I know of. Then there is...what's his name...Marcalo? I think him too.

Two I know of, and I am not even around a great deal.
Ixion2005-06-28 07:12:24
Yrael is not a Magnagoran.

Marcalo can respond for himself when he gets around.

That's amazing. A possible one. If we were playing hearts, I'd shoot the moon with those numbers.