Yet again we find ourselves hearing an unsupported statement. I hope now it is painfully clear why all the Magnagorans left the DoK clan.

Now, one thing I do not understand is the insistance that the Serenwilde needn't be anti-Taint. If I recall correctly from the Histories, the communes were tasked with healing the land from the scars left by the influence of the Soulless. The Taint is scarring left by the influence of a Soulless. So where's the argument?

Now, regarding this silliness about Celest needing to be all crazy-psycho-zealoty. I don't know why people want us to be a carbon copy of Shallam/Antioch/The Spanish Inquisition, but it's not happening if I can help it. Apologies, but there are many more interesting ways to make it unique and form conflicts without resorting to tired anti-hero cliches. What I am trying to play up with Lindhe is the idea of us being very, very elitist - much more focused on logic, reason and science than intuition, and with only the higher emotions entering into things. Good conflict with the Serenwilde, then, would revolve around them thinking that we're full of elitist prigs with no experience in the Real World, while we think of them as irrational barbarians.

Not that this will be happening, necessarily. The Serenwilde got along fine in the Old Celestine Empire, and the pervading feeling that I get - or at least am trying to spread around - is that once we have the new Empire up and running, with Magnagora and Glomdoring purified and Hallifax and Gaudiguch fixed up, the Serenwilde will be taking its old place again. With, of course, the lesson learned that we should actually listen to the Great Spirits from time to time, 'cause as irrational as they are, they _may_ know what they're talking about once in a blue moon.

Lets put it this way, so far, 3 elder gods have said that the Taint is not threat to the Basin or to Nature, the glomdoring forest is a tainted forest that is not under danger of dissapearing, and it has repeated time and time again that the Taint of the Histories is NOT the taint of present.

The Taint is as much a scarring as the results of a Lightning bolt on a tree.

1. Of course it's not in danger of disappearing, but they're hardly likely to accept that, it's their goal.
2. No, the Taint isn't the same as the present, but it may well be again, and it's still bad.
3. No, it's far worse than that, but you don't seem to want to get it into your head no matter how many times it is stated (even Estarra says it's more like a cancer, are you telling me that's "harmless"?) so nevermind.

The Gods have their own motivations.


It makes sense Serenwilde is vehemently anti-Taint, as Lindhe correctly pointed out. It also makes sense that Glomdoring considers itself a commune, and Serenwilde part of a failed nature that no longer deserves to exist.

Ok, first of all, Estarra did not say it was a cancer, she said people could roleplay it as an expanding part of nature, such as a cancer. I'm sorry if you can't tell the difference. And even then she was not refering to the Taint but rather to the roleplay of Glomdoring as the darker side of nature.


What evidence do you have that the Taint can be used again as something terrible? The only evidence that exists is when Kethuru came back, and when he did, he did NOT use existing taint.

You only valid argument that has evidence is point 1, and its not much of an argument. Its more along the lines of a child not getting his way.

Wow, so you have to give up all your goals if they're not going to be immediately recognised because of game mechanics? What the hell?

And actually, yes, that is the point. "Such as." I'm sorry if you can't tell the similarity.

Oh, and because Kethuru's presence within the Taint had an effect once. What evidence do you have that it cannot again? Honestly. You keep bringing your IC prejudices onto the boards. ...or...vice versa. What a scary thought. :/

WILL YOU F ING STOP MIXING UP THE TAINTS!


NOBODY DISSAGREES THAT KETHURU IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE BEING!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR F ING SKULL THAT THE WORLD IS NOT NOT NOT AND I REPEAT NOT BLACK AND WHITE, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES AND YOU CAN TAKE THE WORLD IN ANY DIRECTION YOU WANT.

"We can take the world in any direction we want" from the famous Mr. Serenwilde-has-bad-RP. (Because we side with Celest, mmhm.)

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Calm down, and keep quiet.

Ditto.

Yeah, the current taint has nothing at all to do with anything in the histories, right Daganev?

Good thing we've got wonderful sources such as yourself to tell us exactly what it -should- be, after we throw all the backstory out.



Yes, there is a difference in volition between modern taint and the taint when Kethuru inhabits it. They are NOT totally separate things.

Its Serenwilde's goal to destroy all Taint now? Boy how I love revisiontis history, because Obviously, Ausekellis and His views of the world mean nothing to Serenwilde.


My Evidence is that when Kethuru came back, he scoffed at the Taint, called it his fecal manner and in no shape or form used it to his advantage. Things that were tainted did not suddenly start jumping out of the ground and eating things. If fact, ONLY things that were NOT tainted became subject to attack, as if those things allready Tainted were immune to any further damage.


The only prejudice I am showing is the fact that I am sick and tired of people not able to see the opportunites that this game presents itself.

Ah. But Lisaera hates the Taint. She's our Patron now. Don't use Auseklis as an example for this one day, and then say "don't listen to your Patron and mobs when they say to attack Glomdoring" the next.

And as for Kethuru - why do you suppose the Taint containing his presence corrupted Nil and so forth to begin with? And if it wasn't the Taint containing his presence or whatever, why did he not just taint the entire world instantly?

There is as much relation between Kethuru Taint and Modern Taint as there is between a Lightning Bolt, and the Black mark left on a tree by a lightning bolt.

Or as Shikari puts it, a Paw print and the Panther

Or as Auskellis put it, a Cherub and and elder God.

Or as one of the Magnagoran gods (don't remember which one) put it, A snowball and an Avalache.

Lacostian said something similar as well, but they must all be biased and have thier own objectives.

It must be that only Lisarea and Hajamin are correct

Lets not forget that the soulless themselves can not even be removed from creation because of the itegral part they play.

And if your going to try to attack me personally, atleast attack me on one of my many unqiue oddities, instead of a point that is made by over half the forum's population.

Sorry Daganev, you forfeited your right to play the victim here.

And for as long as I can remember, at least on the forums, I have never used specifics of Lisaeran or Hajaminific teachings to justify how I see Glomdoring, the Fae/lings or the Taint.

I use the histories.

Actually as I said to Shikari, the analogy is more closely akin to using his leapord's spore as a tool. It may not make your home stink, but it is still spore.

Or if you don't like that one. Taking a sword and breaking it and saying that the sword is no longer dangerous because it can no longer be used as what it was intended for.

Just because Kethuru does not inhabit the taint, does not mean it is harmless. It means that it is different. The only person I see blinded to a narrow minded thinking, is you Daganev. You are so eagerly arguing one thing while saying another.

WHY THE F K DO YOU MAKE EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE!!!!!!!!


THE point is its Complex, its NOT black and white, and you can go in any direction, all paths are open to you.

There is no HARD CODED alliances or whatever the F terms you want to use to pittifully say why your "forced" to act the way you do, and not you "CHOOSE" to act the way you do.

WTF is your problem that you have to assume that every player of a evil charachter must be evil themselves, and can't have a view seperate from their charachter.

The Game enviornment very CLEARLY gives support for a Celest point of view, what every sane person here is trying to explain is that the game world ALSO give support for a Magnagoran point of view, or Seren point of view (which Serenwilde chooses to ignore), or a Glomdoring point of view... heck it even gives us Cosmic points of view, and Villager points of views. Its a nice wonderfully complex game and world and all you are doing is turning it into a "Light pretty, Taint ugly"

ITS GETTING F ING ANNOYING!

No what is annoying is that you constantly tell us our point of view is wrong, because it is not your point of view. Then in the next breath you say the game allows us to have our point of view. Thank you for proving my above statement of arguing one thing while saying another.

Yeah, everyone has it wrong but you, Daganev.

You frustrate me, but you're getting more upset than this topic deserves. Just be calm and think rationally.

What do you think Serenwilde's mysterious point of view is that we choose to ignore?