Show me ONE piece of evidence that the Taint itself (Not kethuru) is harmfull.

Show me one piece of history that is not refering to the direct affects of Kethuru.

You spore and sword analogy still make the Taint the same thing, which it is not. Have you seen any people merging together and making new viscantis? Have you seen the Taint evolve in any form?

Because you're arguing like this.



We're not "ignoring" our view. It seems you're only taking into account the "black and white" bits we're reportedly arguing with, and ignoring the shades of grey people like Gregori and Amaru have stated multiple times are involved as well. Cool down (again), and take another look at what you're saying. You're being very hypocritical.

Incidentally, the problem isn't that every evil character is an evil person, it's that you're unwilling to seperate information given from the histories from your personal views and in failing to do so convincing yourself that our stance is "incorrect" based on what you think our viewpoint should be.

EDIT: Okay, why are my quotes not working. Let's try again.

EDIT: Much better.

Spore is still spore whether it stinks or not. Taint is still taint, it just don't stink no more. Try and keep up. As for taint harming things since Kethuru. You really need to get out of your box and open your eyes in that case. What do you think happens to the land when a Geomancers uses Taint? Oh right, you don't think it does anything because you can't grasp the OOC/IC seperation and see anything but the narrow viewpoint you painted yourself into and accuse everyone else of having.

A couple from the perspective of Serenwilde - the tainted fae incident, including the tainted fae girl. The two tainted Nature spirits warring with the rest, causing battle on Faethorn.

The tainting of Gib (not by Kethuru, but Rowena forcefeeding him raw taint).

Aside from the fact I thought it was you who was arguing that taint = evolution, new viscantis are born everyday.

Am I misinterpreting your questions?

Ok, I'm not sure what your refering to with spores... I had thought you ment the seed of a panther, but now I'm not so sure.

As for the geomancer demense, A) it doesn't transform anything, and a Blacktalon demense does not kill plant growth, so your aguring that some taint is harmfull and some it not, which makes nothing harmfull about taint itself. Rather, City Elemental demenses harm the earth.



Ok, lets make something clear... The histories give you information, but they do not give any scientific or philisophical understanding about Lusternia other than that the people quoted, and Lollipringle.

If you have One god that says one thing, and another god that says anothing thing, and they are both on the side of the same organization, then the only conclusion I can come to, is that its not a clear cut issue, and obviously there are many perspectives that are valid.

I quoted Rowena, Daganev. High Priestess of Night, leader of the Gloriana commune, and obviously a representative for the three communes.

I think he's using spore as in "faeces."


Taint does too transform things! It turns forests into freaking wastelands!




So why won't you accept that Lisaera's Taint-hating stance might be valid?

Because it doesn't conform with the views in his little box, Shiri. Therefore by default must be wrong.

Again, you are confusing Kethuru and Modern day taint.

The tainted-fae incidant was becuase of Cosmic and Ethereal and had little to do with Taint. If it happened in Celest it would have been called the Angelified-Fae incident.


You have two Nature spirits each warring against ONE other Nature spirit... What "all" are you talking about? Hart apparently hates Crow, and Night apparently hates Moon, but I havn't seen anything since the awakening of Crow that says that Crow hates Hart. Not saying it doesn't exist, but just havn't seen it anywehre.


Now as for Gib.. Gib was as you said, fed "raw" taint, which means it was still from Kethuru. Also, the Body of Gib and the Mind of Gib are seperated to creat the wyrm. The Dead body of the wyrm stays in place, and when Gib gets close to it, he explodes and dies, and his spirit enters the body of the Wyrm.

The histories are explicitly written in a way that they have a single perspective, with a few other pespectives given here and there.

I know, I'm just trying to make him realise that he's saying that.

But it didn't. Hence, it had to do with taint.

Crow has always hated Hart, tainted Glomdoring fought against the Fae, Ackleberry's great spirits blinked out of existance rather than be tainted and the histories say Sister Lake 'cried out in sorrow'. I think its pretty much all of them.


Um, no, it said nothing of being from Kethuru. It just said it was raw. I would interpret that as meaning physical manifestation of taint. Regardless, both mind and body were corrupted.

How convenient it is to ignore everything that doesn't support your own desires, and call that bias and 'Celestian perspective'.

I think Lisarea's view is very valid, however, her view does not state abosolute facts, such that other gods have said. From what I have seen, Lisarea constantly repeats that its her feeling, Her perspective, and that based purely on extraction she says if the source is questionable, nothing good can ever come out of it. This is opposed to Auskelis and Razezon, and Lacostian, and Shikari who say that the taint is almost nothing compared to what Kethuru is.

They are self professed extremist views.

EARTH turns forests into wastelands, WATER turns forests into lakes. Whats your Point? Tainted Forests don't turn forests into Wastelands, infact they even help plants thrive and grow better than they would otherwise.

Herbs, you mean.

F K it, your repeating yourself and Ignoring everything I have said, and everything every other person has said.

I can't wait till you guys get bored of Lusternia and let it actually grow into something interesting.

Oh? And is there something wrong with extremes? Extremes carry a lot of weight, especially in times of trouble. And Seren has been in a lot of trouble recently, even if in the last few days we have teamed up with Celest in order to fight back said threat. Extremes are perfectly valid, and if most of us happen to agree with her, because from an IC perspective she's right, really, then who are you to object with them if you then complain at us for not following Auseklis' point of view with the whole city-hating thing?



But water does not turn forests into lakes. It turns them into forests with the ground flooded. The trees are there. You can find an Aquamancer to prove it, if you want. So I have difficulty believing that simple earth can kill off and desolate all the trees in an area. Maybe if the whole room became buried, or something? It certainly isn't earth that kills off the plants, how could it be? It even says right there "sickens the land." Earth doesn't do that, sans Taint. At least, not in my garden. (And actually, Tainted forests do not increase plant growth - then again nor do regular forests, just refrain from killing it.)

Ah. I see. By "ignoring" you mean "responding to, but disagreeing with based on both factual and interpretive grounds."

I am sorry if this offends your sensibilities too much, but honestly, if you post stuff that is clearly both biased and wrong, we're not just going to agree with you because it's you.

When I defoliate in a tainted forest I get a message where all the plantlife dies off and the room turns into wasteland. I'll copy the message when I get home, for some reason I don't get that message in normal forests but the same thing happens.

Do you get a different message in regular forest, or does it just have no message, or the same message as tainting any other region?

In normal forests it's the message where the tainted mist settles into the ground. Defoliate should work in normal forests purely for cosmetics. It has the exact same effect.

That's right Shiri. Daganev believes that the Serens should embrace Auseklis' personal views and ignore Lisaera's feelings on the taint (even though some of us are in her order) because he says for them to hate the cities and we all know that it's basically a cry for us to 'Stop working with Celest' because of things like...


***********************CURRENT POLITICS IN LUSTERNIA***********************

Stewartsville: The Collective of Serenwilde
Estelbar: The Mighty Dominion of Magnagora
Acknor: The Righteous Kingdom of New Celest
Delport: The Righteous Kingdom of New Celest
Rockholm: The Collective of Serenwilde
Southgard: The Righteous Kingdom of New Celest
Angkrag: The Mighty Dominion of Magnagora
Dairuchi: The Righteous Kingdom of New Celest
Paavik: The Righteous Kingdom of New Celest
Shanthmark: The Collective of Serenwilde

For specifics on a city or commune, see POLITICS .
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