I'm I the only one who notices that 3 of our best afflictions CLAIM to be JAB but are in fact SWING only, unless you pulp.... *peer*

Why is nobody noticing this but me?

Okay, I'll give you that one.

If they heal them then you can kill them with damage.

Ceres, what part of speed/wounding knight don't you understand?

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about a bonecrusher using wounding to kill, compared to blademaster, is it really that hard to understand?

Damage isn't the issue here, the afflictions and viability of a wounding/speed Bc is the issue at hand

Murphy, I think if you envoy that our Skills should actually act like the AB files say they do that most of the problems would be solved

A wounding bc will still do more wounds and damage than can be sipped and applied away.

Point?

If you let a knight beat on you freely, without hindering or afflicting him back, you will die to SOMETHING EVENTUALLY

thats the idea behind curing, you can do it perfect, but still die to a good fighter who overwhelms you with his offence, otherwise you just get perfect curing, and you're invincible.

Generally speaking, 55 - 65 damage hammers on most good fighters, allow them to sparkle and apply health to where its needed.

On that note, if you somehow need time to catch up, web them twice or thrice while you apply health, problem solvered.

*peer* Are my posts being ignored?

I swear I'm living in an alternate universe


Psst Murphy.. Ignore Ceres and have our skills changed to Match our AB files!

yeh Dag, don't worry i'm working on it, and I've already had it brought to the attention of the relevant divine to be looked at.

Your envoy reports are a joke, Murphy.

I still remember that suggestion for giving you leprosy, and having it take arm balance..

murphy yes, but of course you're also listing the bm swing afflictions as jab afflictions aye.

I also believe speed bms and bcs are both possible. There being no speed bcs at the moment does not mean that its not viable, thats a skip in logic. Also the speed bms now that are doing good were bms way from the start when they were considered the worst warrior type meaning they're speed bms not because they're better than speed bcs but because they really just want to be bms. Also from the afflictions that you have listed i dont think you understand a lot of the blademaster afflictions. Like for example i dont think you understand how punctured lung punctured chest and collapsed lungs work from what you said. Also i do not think you understand how most bm afflictions depend on a stack do be effective while bc afflicts are more instant. An example would be the blackout, where bonecrushers can instantly blackout with one swing a blademaster will have to hit you with puncturechest and make it stick until the blackout timer ticks (which is like once every 2 mins last i checked). Another example would be tendon slicing where regeneration cures the limb upon application as opposed to mangling where the limb is cured several seconds after regaining salve balance and not to mention the additional shrivel affliction. Also the way you listed the bonecrusher afflictions is very biased for example



as opposed to your bm example



You are downplaying fracture skull and concussion which are two very good afflictions. Of course (besides the point that blademasters have no jab induced head wounds) with the blademaster examples you didnt down play the wounds nor do you add comments like "who doesnt heal their head."

Sorry to say murph but the whole of your first post just looks fallacious.

Alger, you would be 100% correct in saying I don't know how they stack or work, I only know BMs from a healing perspective. From a lot of logs I've seen of terenas and you, I've made my judgement based off that.

Ceres, get off my thread!

This isn't a talk about envoys, its a talk about BM vs BC, not bloody necromancy you stupid idiot, it's you whom are the joke.

My envoy reports are the product of.....shock.....THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOODY GUILD.

GET A FRIGGIN IDEA AND A CLUE BEFORE POSTING YOUR VERBAL DIAHORREA ON THE FORUMS YOU FOOL

EDIT: Alger, what i'm looking for here is another way to kill for a speed BC apart from bashbrain. Since i've started to fight as a speed BC, the situation isn't as bad as I once thought in my first post, however I still want another method to kill with

Why should speed bonecrushers be better than or even equal to damage bonecrushers? I mean, Bonecrusher doesn't imply grace or precision in inflicting wounds does it? For Bonecrushers, it seems to me like the damage should be the big thing and the wounding secondary, and vice versa for Blademasters.

By that reasoning, to get better than I am, I need more arties and more damage, making combat boring.

Bonecrusher implies, that you are crushing bones. so if i'm hitting you accuratley and hard with 20 str, and my crappy hammers, then I could be breaking your bones, as opposed to hitting you with flails, which aren't as accurate with the ball and chains and whatnot.

Balance > realism, and doesn't it make it more interesting if speed BC is viable and successful?

I guess it makes it more interesting for you to get upgrades instead of improving your actual skill.

Narsrim, don't be a Ceres with the insults and snide comments, you're better than that.

Please actually read my previous post to that one in full, and then comment. As i'm going along I'm starting to see a few different things which can be linked together, and I'm sure i'll find more as I go the speed BC route.

I'm almost inclined to say, BC needs another way to kill apart from bashbrain, and it will be great. I'll give it some more thought, lets not forget this thread was made like 1 or 2 days ago now, and thats a lot when your sparring a fair bit

Read Alger's post, Murphy. BC have better affliction (concusion anyone). They should be more difficult to achieve. As for another way to kill, burstorgans

I hope you are joking about burstorgans narsrim, you know as well as i do that its impossible to stick it against someone who can heal.

Unless it was made regen-mending on the same scale as mending, i'll give that some thought.

Either way, you're never sparring me again with your healing skillset, I can do nothing to you as it is, and with bedevil and deepheal, well yeh I'd be better off cutting myself to see how much it bleeds.

And you're pushing for bedevil upgrades?! die!

No, I just want it fixed to how it was always supposed to be. It currently does not transfer a great deal of afflictions properly like masochism, health leech, etc.

Furthermore, what exactly can you do to Amaru? Eiru? Terenas? What I think you fail to realize is that at some point, combat gets to the point where two elite combatants cannot kill each other. You still wreak havoc against most people, but there are people who you cannot bog down with wound afflictions. This is the nature of combat. It is not a reason to ask for upgrades. If that were the case, every class needs some massive upgrades.

you know, if it was fixed how it was supposed to work, and transfer and heal them ALL. You could sip all the different venoms then debevil me..............10-15 afflictions (im guessing) for 1k mana......yay

Against Amaru, He whores inquisition which bothers me, but apart from that I can get him into a position where I have a chance. (this is without handmaiden)

Against Eiru, well I can kill him too, and sometimes he kills me (without grim)

Terenas, I fought him without the use of venoms, and managed to pin a burstorgans on him for the kill in the last FFA, I have the logs i'll post up eventually.

I judge people's combat abailty without their champion pets, because they are wholly and massive unbalance compared to what everyone else gets regards champion artifacts.

it does get to the point where 2 great fighters cannot kill each other, or kill each other equally.

However, looking at it simply, blademasters can bleed someone to death, or behead them or disembowel. bonecrushers can bashbrain and burstograns.

Incorrect. Bedevil doesn't transfer all afflictions nor was ever supposed to transfer -every single affliction- at once. It heals about 2-5 (average of about 3) and transfer some of those. At best, I can transfer three poisons with bedevil. There is also about a 50% chance that one of those poisons will remain hidden upon me (as I don't know which do and do not transfer) because it does not transfer.

My beef is that afflictions that should transfer do not.