David!

Edit: -Richter

Again, we did that since day one.

Have you ever seen Daganev suggest a raid on Faethorn, or anyone else in the initial shadow court?

The players in Glomdoring want to be able to have run and raide faethorn and villages and attack, because while the cultural elite are setting up the culture, the new players and active people want somethign to do, however, anything they do will have political ramifications becaues Serenwilde or Celest will go.. OOOH LOOK TAINTED KILL KILL KILL!

Its been a heartache and a half to get people to just NOT attack things, especially when anyone you try to make an agreement with says no.



I don't think anything can happen to improve Glomdoring that is not in the power of the players at this very moment. People need to learn to fight better, how to organize money better, etc. And people need to stop shouting "The world is doomed" everytime something negetive happens. It would also really help if people would stop making assumptions that are incorrect about the abilities of the glomdoring commune.

Visaeris did a lot more harm than good, and its going to take time for that harm to be fixed.

...we can't blame Visaeris for our commune getting it's collective hiney handed to it.

Did anyone else yell and scream that we were not activley attacking people when we didn't even know our own skills yet?

If they were, I blame them also.

Jelaludin.

Jack.

Visaeris.

Those are the three I know of.

Anyway, its cute seeing all these suggestions that were allready tried, and suggested to us by Viravain, while everyone was calling Viravain idiotic.

I'll just refrence what Magnagoran Player's responce was when people were not giving them a challenge in a fight.

Serenwilde was fine with the existence of Celest as a city, they were simply uneasy about their ignorant (in seren's view) actions.

When did that change? When they caused half the basin and a commune to get tainted.

Do you really think they would find that worse than the people who revel in the tainted perversions of their former sister commune? Of course not. Glomdoring's continued existence is an affront to the sensibilities of Serenwilde's beliefs. Which makes for great conflict, not so great negotiations.

There is almost no sense in Serenwilde thinking of anyone as more offensive and threatening than Glomdoring.

What could happen is that a Celest/Serenwilde event could be created to take the focus off Glomdoring, but I suspect Magdoring will leap at the opportunity and Serenwilde will just get nailed.

That's a good point, Elryn. We accepted the existence of both Celest and Magnagora. In the beginning, we got along with both. Well, when I say that we got along, I mean that we weren't at each other's throats. Glomdoring is an abomination to the Serenwilde.

Well I've got lots of quotes.. some from quite a few pages ago, and none in the last 10 so here goes:

Tamaranis-
Well, ideally it isn't, but it seems to boil down that way anyway. Except in the case of Glomdoring. Celest is allied with angels, Magnagora is allied with demons. Glomdoring is allied with twisted spirits and has all those contrasts Ellyrn pointed out. All I'm saying is it might do well to keep them.

Now I'm a Serenwilde Player, but I can easyly see how i'd RP a Magnagorian, and in the future perhaps i will. Anywho 'Magnagora is allied with demons' those 'demons' are mearly Supernals just like the Celestials are now that were changed by the taint (it's in the Histories some where, and i'm really going to have to re-read them because they are a VERY GOOD READ, thanks to whomever commisioned the writers), you can't argue that they (the beings from Nil) are evil now, they were evil, but anyone be they a Celestian Magnagorian or Serenwilder can use their demon/angel/fae to kill people in the most nasty of ways.
(yes I left out the gloomies but isn't this whole thread about how weak they are and how they HAVEN'T been killing people enough?)


Richter-
Wouldn't it be boring if Glorianna came back Narsrim, or do you think this would actually open up a more interesting and dynamic world situation?

Personally, I think it would allow less of the 2 vs 2 stuff, but then it would be 3 "good" and 1 "bad".

I personally don't think it would be boring if Glorianna came back at all I would LOVE to see all Celest-Serenwilde ties broken off and those ties replaces with new ones to the new Glorianna, it wouldn't even have to be a world shaking event mearly a chance in policy.. mainly in the fae-killing department which is station in Glomdoring. The sorta alliance that is now Seren-Celest switching to Seren-Glorianna would force a whole new perspective on the Celest Magnagora conflict, do they keep THEIR old hatreds alive or do they give up any hope on calling themselves empires as they fall to the background as the forests take the forfront. Now THAT would allow some AWSOME RP to happen.


Nyla-
Celest will still hate us. Serenwilde will still hate us? Everything will be the exact same as it was before.

I'm sorry, but no matter WHERE you are in Lusternia you'll be hated by 2 of 3 other city/commune groups and viewed with a least a little misstrust from the 3rd. All i can see in the future... if the Celest/Seren uneasy 'alliance' if you want to call it that continues is also a continuation of the Glomdoring/Mag thing that I seam to see happening *shrug* you can prove me wrong I geuss cause i have neither a Gloomie or a Mag, but I don't hear about Gloomies and Mag's jumping on each other at all in this thread only the Mag's looking down at the Glomdorings and vice versa.

Good point... Why are you willing to except organizations that destroy nature completly and care nothing of it, but will not tolerate someone who has a slightly different interpretation of how to worship nature?


Thats like Catholics tolerating Pagans but not Protestants.

My point was everyone kept wanting Glomdoring to either embrace the taint or for it to be untainted like it was going to cause some massive change in how things are going.

Because to Serenwilde's nature Glomdoring is a perversion. Which is worse: to have your brother killed, or to have him tortured, raped and mutilated, then his corpse played with as a toy as you watch?

Although I am not good with analogies, I believe it would be more akin to expecting Catholics to get on with Satanists but hate Buddhists.

Getting back to the subject at hand, My thoughts on the matter are reasonably simple, and depending largely on the response of a few key players, should be self-evident shortly.

Daganev: I do blame those people mentioned as well, maybe me too for a bit actually even though I didn't start raiding Faethorn till QUITE a while later.

So, how about we do try to make this "staying out of Faethorn" official then?

I have a suggestion:

Kick out the leadership.

I'm astounded that they've stayed in place so long.

I'm guessing that, along with the 'untaint it' comments, means we've reached the end of the sensible suggestions?

I'm afraid I'd have to agree.
There's a lot of stuff going on in the background which isn't seen either from outside of Glomdoring, and within it.
Apologies for that, but some things need to stay upper management.

Untaint it is the only reasonable suggestion I've seen yet.

Good god people, I don't know how stupid you have to be to even have an inkling of hope that the Glomdoring will be untainted. "Hi, we know we started this organization one way, but now we're going to totally change it okay bye!"

If you genuinely feel that the leadership is competent, then it seems they need a new patron again, as well.