Ok, Forest for the trees, means your looking at details and not the overarching picture, and in this case, it appears to me that you are so fascinated with the ability for Taint to "change" something, that your missing the overall philosophical difference of a City which wants to create an empire and expand power by any means possible, and a Nature Commune which wishes to coexist with the world around them and make it more beutiful...

I realized the other day that being fixated on the Taint as the greatest of all evils, is like being Fixated on Theomargalery (sp?) (The magic devoted to changing the nature of things) as the greatest evil in a D&D world.

Magnagora and people who became twisted beings are more evil purely because they enjoy seeing things suffer for the sake of getting stronger rather then hoping other people will be happy and feel good inside.

And here is one of the dilemmas. Glomdoring wishes to create an empire of its own, expanding its forest by any means possible.

Cronnacht, your thoughts and mine were in accord on those possibilities of an untainted, but still dark, Glomdoring. The idea of "infestation" seems to be something the admins cooked up in a hurry on the spot as a way to give Glomdoring something in a different color and text when they made demesnes, but as sometimes happens, I think it was inspired, and deserves further consideration.

I think there's a lot of symbolism and imagery to be derived from the idea of infestation, exploring what it means and how it could be argued for or against, questions which would be similar in tone to those about taint yet fundamentally different. A whole new axis, leading to a richer, more complex set of relationships between nations. Also more interesting, and potentially more sustainable, roleplaying fodder than the jumble of taint plus forest minus taint that they have now. It wouldn't be Gloriana or Glomdoring, it'd be something else.

Maybe we can hope that someday some offshoot might form which explores this. Some group, maybe just a clan, who dedicate themselves to "pure infestation, unsullied by the taint" and struggle to found their own nation based on it.

But I still think about all we can do with this idea is maybe drop it in a bardic. That it doesn't fit the current power balance or the future plans doesn't mean it's not an interesting idea, though.

"Infenstation" Is clearly NOT something the admins just cooked up in a hurry. Its part of Viravain's shrines, the whole concept of how we fight, the whole concept of a faeling armies, what many of our skills do and in general our role of aspects of a "hive mind." Wasps, Spiders, Locusts, all swarming insects that currently "infest" the forest.

It has a large amount of consideration currently and is indeed an inspired idea. Glomdoring and most places are complex places with multiple imagery, and in Glomdoring atleast, all these images are intertwined to create a nice complex commune. Its true in Magnagora also, especially now with Nok having a louder voice.

From the recent posts I see two major problems that you guys are saying the Glomdoring has:

1.It isn't strong enough because it lacks certain strong leaders/hoards of warriors/ect. mainly it needs a bigger player base.

2.It's players lack a strong Role Play Center, they're not sure enough about what they Commune is, do they completely ignore the taint, do they view it as not being tainted, do they view their own taint as being differant from Mag's. And this crosses the IC/OOC line but ya..


I see these two problems as one in the same, if the Role Play issues are set more in stone, and desisions are made then in time Glomdoring would fill-out so to speak. Sure it's going to take some time, but it will happen. I myself would consider a Glomdoring alt, but I would be completely clueless as to how to RP my charactor.


David-
"And I mean, officially staying out of Faethorn, signing a treaty with Serenwilde that says Glomdoring will stay out and what have you."

I think that doing this would be too OOC for either organization to do, which would be backing down.. Glomdoring, so they're charactors would need to admit that they were either A. wrong or B. to weak to take Faethron, which is terrible roleplay in my opinion.


Cron-
"We all know that Virvain's recovery is quite different from a restoration. My question being is Virvain still technically tainted? If not, would it be totally off base for Her and her followers to want to recover Glomdoring in Her image?"

I believe Virvain recovered from her kathulu-ness just like the people who had been tainted recovered when Kathulu's essence left the tainted areas of the basin as per the histories.


daganev-
"If Serenwilde was able to properly see City vs Commune as more important than Taint Vs non-Taint we really wouldn't have this problem. In game, I know exactly why it developed like this, but I didn't realize the manipulation went so far as to affect players' ability to see things in a more complex manner."

It hasn't effected my players ability (ME) to see those things in a more complex manner. But yes we need to address the fact that there are players who are on Lusternia to fight, and it is in human nature that when you get attacked you attack back later, you get your revenge, we see it in real like in conflict that go on for hundereds of years betwen two groups of people. Coming back off on that brief tangent, I believe that Serenwilde needs leaders that restrain their commune members from the fighting, and stop the offencive actions which are taken.. not sure how practical that is, but hey I'm still pretty new I get to have idea's like this.


Getting back on topic since this thread ISN'T about serenwilde or about what will happen if/when Ackleberry/Hallifax/Gaudigachcome back, or even about the Spiritual/Psycological/Themed differances of the differant areas, but infact Glomdoring.

I want to know a few things... people talk of how certain players had been cutting down the ravenwood trees, and killing guards and so forth. Normally it's not that detrimental to a City/Commune to lose a guard or two every once in awhile, but ya to Glomdoring when you finally get 1 or 2 things running and then they fall apart on you I can see how devistating that can be.. I want to know is this still going on? or have the totems all been put into place. is this now a mute issue and are people mearly brining it up again or does it need to be addressed?

Yes, we have totems. Yes, we have guards. No, this is not a mute issue, beacuse Narsrim and other people are still finding a way to get in and kill stuff.

ok, i was just wondering, so they we can back to the 'we don't have powerful enough people in Glomdoring to defend our forest' part of the Thread again... does anyone think this conversation is going in circles?

I think it's more the recent changes have crippled us far more than our fighter base. I would like to see the admin do something about Faethorn and make it fair for both Serenwilde and Glomdoring. I think once this is fixed more people will stay and join us.

I have a feeling giving Glomdoring more advantages in attacking Faethorn would just cause the conflict to escalate again.

He didnt say give Glomdoring advantages he said make it fair.

It's a lot easier to kill a Fae than find a honeycomb and so on, especially because there's only like 4 that the faethorn knights don't steal, so you can get the whole lot.

All that's stopping you is Seren attacking, which is not a quest imbalance.

No, but enemy territory to regain control of it... is, I'd just like to see it like village influencing, sure, enemy territory, but when the battle goes on, to either undeclare enemies, or to make it not enemy territory for the duration of said battle.

It is NOT alot easier to kill Fae, even Daevos has fallen to those Knights in there and it makes it so our low level members can't help, while it takes a newb fresh from the portal to collect a honeycake. That's not even the part I meant. What I meant by fair is making it so Faethorn forest was not pure or tainted like it should be, so BOTH sides have to bloody meld it to wisp/flow. It's utter BS that unless we have a melder walking with us we can't do anything when a wisp/mass flow of Serens are coming.

We already explained this. The difference is, in its entirety, 81p. That's all.

And it is easier to kill Fae, you realise the fae knights don't attack the trees and air, right? Plus they don't hunt down or anything. Hell, they don't even chase. You can kill all 20 fae, and if you don't attack a fae knight, you'll be fine. We have the chance to get like 4 per half an hour, 8 with a cook. Seriously, what? Besides which, yes, I'm talking about the wisp-mass flow, because Serenwilde is better than Glomdoring right now. Still not a quest imbalance.

You EVER stop to read or think before posting a responce Shiri? I said I'm NOT whining about the bloody quest. You obviously do not know what aspects I am speaking about concerning Faethorn, even thought it's right there written out for you. I'm glad you think for OURSIDE (here, might wanna listen) to take Faethorn it REQUIRES a large group and Blacktalon to meld, without first being wisped/mass flowed and killed. While what does it take for your side... ohhh, wait, nothing at all UNLESS we just happen to meld Faethorn. By the way, incase you were not here, we were able to do this once, when me and Daevos lead attacks on Faethorn, with about every person in Glomdoring/Magnagora we can get, and we still got our arses handed to us because trying to meld Faethorn with even one Moondancer on your side wisping them is insane. So this has been tested, tried, and if you noticed, not ever done since. We spent a damn long time on that attack and your side had noone big or any decent Hartstone on at the time and you were still able to hold us off, I think we had the advantage in Faethorn for about 30 minutes before we lost it. So please drop this crap about it being fair IF Blacktalon gets it melded when that in itself is suicide.

I'm sorry, if you write a post which says "It is NOT alot easier to kill Fae" (ESPECIALLY when the point you claim your post IS about is more-or-less only relevant for the EXACT SAME THING, collecting Fae) I can only assume that you are, in fact, talking about Fae. Your point is incorrect. Sorry.

In any case, as to the thing where it "cannot be done", did you notice yesterday? Kaervas had the whole place Tainted. They basically stood there kicking our arses at their leisure for about 3 hours. Celest and Serenwilde couldn't do anything about it. If Kaervas'd wanted to let Marsu take it over, we would've had almost exactly the same problem, and it could've been quite easily achieved. And then we would have to ERASE YOUR DEMESNE. And you could, had you the might, wisp us and kill us JUST like we did to you, because you'd have the forest, and we'd need a huge team. Difference: We have a huge team. You do not. NOT a quest imbalance.

I've got to agree with Shiri on the fact that is not about 'cannot be done' but that it's about a serious commitment to it, i watched for 3 days when there was constant fighting in Faethorn, it was early this past month. my question, why wasn't glomdoring going after the quest then? and if they weren't then why not? if the answers that 'they didn't have enough people' which Ethelon tells us that it is, then it would seam that it's not a matter of trying to code the quest to be easyer but waiting till Glomdoring has more/stronger members.

Boy do I hope the Serenwilde agrees to the treaty.

It would be a nice change. Some time to actually bash, too busy doing conflict, and politics.

Or they could just walk all over you some more.

Yep..