I did too. I wonder if us both deleting Munsia's post at the same time got Ialie's for some wierd reason.

meh.. comspiracy.

I can't remember how many times I've tried to get this point across. I might have to have Gwylifar talk to you about the Totem Tribe after all...

Richter, half the posts on the forums fit your description. Unless you are going to go around deleting those those aswell, it certainly seems a tad biased.

Shikari's really the first Elder God since the Pre-Kethuru Viravain that Suhnaye has even remotely trusted enough to talk with... Of course, yeh all know how that trust went with Viravain... *mutters*

As for helping Glomdoring... It may be possible that if the taint were slowly bled from the forest, it may remain just as it is, a very harsh and unforgiving place, allowing the whole basis of RP for the forest to remain just as it is... Perhaps make it so when Night and Crow are cleansed of the taint they really only half return to normal, staying bloodthirsty and very shadowy, but in control of themselves enough to not want to just KILL KILL KILL ALL MOON and HART!

That way Celest would no longer have any real beef with them... unless its over a philosophical point, the fae might be changed so that they're darker when they are summoned by a shadowdancer, but not bound and enslaved, removing -Most- of the beef Serenwilde has with them... To balance things out, something would have to be added to either Serenwilde's or Celests Philosophys that would force a massive wedge between them, otherwise Magnagora would get beat on unmercifully! Another Erion Incident would do nicely, but I doubt any of the higher-ups of Celest would wanna thuroughly piss off their city like he did...

A different approach could be the tainting of Serenwilde *snickers* Now that I would just have to laugh SOOOO hard@! But it would be unbelievably complex RP, and very emotional, considering most of Serenwilde would be forced between homelessness, or tainting... *laughs* I doubt it'd ever happen, but I had to mention that possibility...

In just a materialistic sense... Glomdoring needs more active fighters who are training the younger players... At the moment they have a couple fighters who are good, Ethelon... wasn't Arilyon or whosits there as well? But they seem to be loners... Glomdoring needs a general, like Daevos, Murphy, Narsrim, Amaru, Tuek... Also, a wedge does need to be forced between celest and serenwilde so that a conflict between those two starts up again, then no one side will be terribly overwhelming... Provided Glomdorings RP of it really doesn't like Magnagora holds, then there would be a 4 way conflict, but with none of them helping eachother except perhaps in isolated circumstances the conflicts would calm down to small raids, and political conflicts...

I think thats all I can think of TTFN

Oh yeah, and by drawing out the slow untainting of Glomdoring, it would make some hella interesting RP for all four societys... cuz all of em have some vested interest in Glomdoring one way or another

That's not funny!


In fact, that would utterly piss me off and I'd probably quit, along with most of the SW. *compose* I do realize that you were joking but..

Well...

If the Glomdoring leadership were to allow themselves to be convinced by Serenwilde that the forest is indeed sick and needs some sort of healing and Serenwilde adopted a position less of fear/hate and more of pity for Glomdoring that could be the basis for a less strained relation where Serenwilde is at least as willing to work with Glomdoring as it is with Celest.

The ethereal stuff still throws a monkey wrench into the works and really pits the two communes against one another though. Plus it's not to likely to happen to begin with.

I don't personally think that in order for Glomdoring to be saved, we have to be 'saved' by Serenwilde...

Besides... if the Glomdoring were de-tainted, where would that leave Josun?

Name one person, let alone a Serenwilde player, who thinks the taint should be removed from the game.


Anyway, on topic, I think Ethelon has a number of very good points. The most important is a resurrection skill - it is simply unreasonable to expect them to immolate all the time when they have a growing nexus. I like some of the semi-reanimate ideas that have been suggested before, bringing the person back as a shade, maybe as a local area skill.

As for what Glomdoring can do now... it needs to decide what its role will be, and take it to an extreme. From its description, you know exactly what type of place Magnagora will be, what type of people it attracts and what idealogical views it enforces. This is borne out in reality. The same is true (I think) of most of Serenwilde. Celest was a bit wishy-washy for a while, though I think they are getting better now.

I don't mean Glomdoring is taking on the wrong role at all. I might not personally like the way its going, but that is totally up to the players of the commune. I'm instead referring to the constant dichotomy of its existence that weakens its appeal to those who enjoy starting from a strong, easily understood position. They're tainted, but they don't like taint, they're nature-worshipping, but they don't really worship nature, they're dark, but they're not evil.

I may be mistaken in that reading, but that is my observation as an outsider and young novice... please feel free to correct me.

*blink* What?

The taintforest ideal, killing/enslaving fae, and so on, I meant.

I just find it a difficult organization to attract broad sections of the playerbase. If you want to play a 'naturey' character, the taint/enslaving thing could turn you off. If you want to play a dark, tainted character, the fact taint is abhorrent could turn you off.

I'm trying to say, maybe Glomdoring could pick one direction and embrace it a little more. For example, embrace the taint (even if you don't acknowledge it as 'taint') and view all other nature as weak and pathetic and worthy of being destroyed.

While that might attract a bigger player base... It might take away from what makes Glomdoring unique.

Magnagora is evil. Celest and Serenwilde are good(it seems).

Glomdoring could decline to simplify itself in that regard.

Serenwilde isn't really 'good', unless taint is 'evil'.

Serenwilde worships their ideal of nature
Glomdoring worpships their ideal of nature

Each views the other ideal as wrong.

Glomdoring's nature views death and decay as something to be exalted and this is a thing of beauty. If it isnt Glomdoring it isnt beautiful. Just because GLomdoring and Serenwilde dont have the same views on nature does not mean they do not worship it.

*headslam*

Let it be made very, very clear - this isn't just some cut and dry 'Oh, that city is good - that city is evil. That commune is neutral!'.

Magnagora is NOT evil - they are the engine of change.
Celest is NOT good - they represent the 'light', the desire to have things the way they were pre-tainting of the basin.

The day these places actually become the cities of good/evil is the day I hope the server gets sucked into a black hole, because I'll have wasted good money on a less populated Achaea - 2.0, when what I love is Lusternia.

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True enough. I just haven't seen much of Glomdoring viewing Serenwilde's nature as wrong.

Yeah cause the five million posts about Glomdoring being nature and you arguing it isnt arent much.

Well, ideally it isn't, but it seems to boil down that way anyway. Except in the case of Glomdoring. Celest is allied with angels, Magnagora is allied with demons. Glomdoring is allied with twisted spirits and has all those contrasts Ellyrn pointed out. All I'm saying is it might do well to keep them.