Hmm, much as I appreciate the confidence in me being good at what I try to do, it's really largely up to the players.

Yes, I intend to get things rolling and to help as much as possible, but in the end, the buck stops with you guys.

They can't get the 13 member coven. Heh.

EDIT: I think the MOST I've ever seen them pull out was...7.

EDIT: Come to think of it, I've only seen Seren pull a 13 member coven TWICE ever.

Eh, well i think we had 8 -once- you know the time Mag had Delport, we had 8 there, before we got owned by the Moondancer coven.

Longnight would be ok... maybe, i mean heck do you actually know how long it lasts, because last time i checked, we actually -havn't- used it yet. Unless it's permentant, then i mean, yes that is worth it, but i dont think there is any other skill in the entire game that uses 70 power and 13 people.

Not to mention the annoyance in actually gathering 50 shadows meaning finding 50 rooms outdoors at night room by room one at a time..

Are they really shiny, or have you just psychologically taught yourself not to see the tarnish?

It would have happened a lot more if we'd had a reason to do it other than to say "gee whiz, I maxed out my coven, cool". But it sure wouldn't be everyday even then.

I would just like to remind people that due to the many requirements put on the administration and patrons and who knows what else, it was only a couple days ago that glomdoring even got a locksmith, and if I'm not mistaken some of our guilds still don't even have our guildhall or teachers.

And yet, everyone seemed to want to force Glomdoring into battles, causing the Admin to further focus on battle and combat balance, further not allowing glomdoring to develop proplerly.

Because of this, many ideas that Gwyn and I talked about, (which required the existance of guildhalls) never really got to get off the ground.

Thats why I think Shikari was such a big boon, because his constant activity amongst the mortals is making it easier for us to balance the boring administartive stuff, with the fun politcs and conflict, since we have a direct source to know the time table of things and the like.

As for the differnce between Viravain and the mortals... I suggest you search the forums for the concept of False Memory.


I'll also take this moment to make a snide remark into the suggestions that Sernwilde players made about removing the taint from glom... *peer*

Laneth, I'm not sure what you mean by biased. I censored someone I've never censored before, in regards to a post made about someone I have no out of game relationship with. My actions have been looked over by the Divine, and since it still says "Moderator" in my title, we can consider the issue resolved. Please use PMs if you're going to antagonize me further.



Ah, I wasn't saying I agreed with that statement, I was saying Daganev was not out of line with him saying it, and -if- the taint were removed, which it is not going to be, it would ruin what we have.

Honestly, I do not know anyone who thinks this, but as it was Daganev's point, I'm afraid you're going to have to ask him what his reasoning was.

Huh? read Suhnaye's post... Serenwilde players seem to the think that the only way Glomdoring and Serenwilde can get together is if the Taint is removed from Glomdoring... If such taint was removed from Glomdoring, it would destroy the mythlogy of the game, namely the aspects that revolve around what the taint really is.

Magnagora does not get the taint monopoly, only the Taint first impression.

Actually, it would mean the rebirth of Glorianna, which would be quite fitting in the mythology.

Wouldn't it be boring if Glorianna came back Narsrim, or do you think this would actually open up a more interesting and dynamic world situation?

Personally, I think it would allow less of the 2 vs 2 stuff, but then it would be 3 "good" and 1 "bad".

Ideally, we will end up with four cities and three communes. In this case, I think the Glorianna factor would be more balanced; however, I would agree that at the current stage of things, that is not the case.

It may mean the rebirth of Glorianna, but it would also mean the descrution of the concept of Tainted Nature... claiming its not viable, which I know thats what Elryn wants, but thats not what Lusternia is based on.

If Magnagora is the only tainted organization, it would turn the Taint into Magangora, and not its own seperate thing.

Says who? Viravain quite clearly was un-tainting nature before Raezon screwed it all up. My point being that it is viable to reverse this Taint and restore Nature to its 'natural' glory.

*rubs temple*

Says Estarra! As Estarra said, I do not care if the forest is tainted or not. (This is Estarra the charachter)... the Glomdoring forest exists as a tainted nature place... Every single god who has had a neutral opinion has said that the Taint does not change a place from being nature, that nature can take care of itself...

The only thing you have saying it 'doesn't' work is histories which refer to Kethuru, and Kethuru doesn't even mix with Elemental or Cities, let alone nature.

You know. Glomdoring could just disband, like Galvadore suggested in his public post. It's a start!


Kidding


But anyhow, why would it be boring if Gloriana were to return? It wouldn't exactly mean an alliance between the two forests. Isn't that what Glomdoring wants now? They want us to ignore the fact that they kill fae because it's in their rp and they 'have' to and the Serens are bullies, picking on them because it's convenient and ignoring the fact that we're somehow 'cousins' and should therefore align and move against the cities. That was a run-on sentence, I know it.

The creators shouldn't have to rewrite the histories or completely change the structure in any organization just so that you (Glomdoring) no longer become targets against anti-taint players. Taint is one of the main reasons for conflict in Lusternia. I'm afraid that it'll always be a factor and it'll always be taint vs non-taint.

People, just play it out and see how it goes.

+ The Fae are by definition the spirits of Nature

+ After becoming Tainted, the Fae were in danger/poisoned

+ Ellindel Treeheart, first of Moondancers, gave the Fae physical form and healed them.

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For this very reason, the Fae used by the Shadowdancers are not 'tainted.' They are enslaved by shadows (Lisaera mentioned this in another post somewhere). Furthermore, if the taint can work with Nature, why did the Fae in Glomdoring either die out or leave? The physical manifestation of Nature may be able to survive tainted; however, the spiritual aspect of Nature certainly cannot.

Are you talking about the Fae being tainted, or the Fae being in contact with soulless gods? There is a difference between Taint and the Soulless... Taint ONLY refers to Kethuru's mark as far as I know.

If your talking about the fae being tainted from the Mag, Seren event, that is because they were mixing Cosmic Magic with Nature Magic, the bad parts had nothing to do with the Taint, infact, Tainted Fae existed running around the basin for a while, it was only the affect of Nature on Gorgulu that caused the "need" to reverse the project.

The Fae in Glomdoring Died or Left, because Rowena killed them and banished them inorder to save them from Kethuru.

When the Taint invaded Glorianna, it changed it physically. It utterly destroyed everything that was not physical save Mother Night who was Tainted, who more or less, isn't 'alive' and thus cannot 'die.' It is by the will of Mother Night that Raven/Crow can be reformed. Thus, Raven/Crow fit this same category except he is dependent upon Mother Night to ensure his resurrection.

Furthermore at this point, I'm not sure Rowena could kill or banish them or kill them. It wasn't until Ellindel Treeheart gave the Fae physical form that such would have been possible. To my understanding, this would have happened -after- Glorianna was Tainted.

Thus, the Fae were not changed by the Taint when it first changed Glomdoring. Their spirits were either devoured or they fled. In any case, Glomdoring became a shell. The physical aspects were able to meld with the Taint and survive. The Fae, however, did not. Maeve has even said this. Even now, the Shadowdancers must -enslave- the Fae as they /cannot/ call upon them otherwise.

Gah. Richter you see what I mean in my PM man? Instead of discussing I just want to bang my head against the wall.

Meh. I'll try to put together a coherent constructive post.