I quite agree.

For everyone else, he's talking about the forums degenerating into utter crap and doing nothing for the game, except the ideas section.

And Narsrim, where is all the info on Ellindel? Is it in the helpfiles, or a moondancer book I don't have access to? I suppose a greater knowledge of the past would help us work out some of today's arguments.

The Almighty presence here, refers to Kethuru.


It would appear to me, that here is proof that Nature can live on its own in Taint.. If Rowena was not possessed at that time and wanting to give the essence of the fae over to Kethuru, then the Fae would have remaind in Ethereal glomdoring happy as ever with a new Mother Night and Crow that would bind them in shadows because of thier fear.

I have selected two passages from which I draw a great deal of my opinion:

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Aftermath of the Divine Wars

Nature held its own fragile consciousness, but it was fragmented and dying, having been devastated by the divine wars. Further, those Soulless Gods who were trapped within the earth itself were poisoning these spirits of nature. The elfen, closest to the forests, first noticed this cruel fate. One elfen woman, Ellindel Treeheart, was the first to contact the fae, the spirits of the earth, who were dying. She drew these nature spirits forth to take physical form, and thus was able to heal them. She taught other elfen how to contact and heal the fae, and they worshipped the earth and called themselves the wiccan.

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Diary of Rowena Nightshade: Meeting Destiny

The fae, however, are resistant to the Almighty Presence, and we travel through the rent in the earth that once was the Great Ravenwood, and pass into the ethereal realm, claiming all that the Almighty touches. As I squeeze the essence from the pixies and willowisps, from the sylphs and wood nymphs, and feed my ravenous Master, I cannot help but feel bemused that once I protected these weak and pathetic beings. They cry at me, “D’or glom! D’or glom!” That means “have mercy upon us” in the tongue of the fae. I answer back, “F’ai glomdoring!” That means “I have no mercy.”

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It says quite clear that the Fae, the spirits of Nature, were resistant to the Taint. They are not part of Glomdoring. It is void of the spiritual aspect of Nature save Mother Night/Crow who are not Fae. It is for this reason the Shadowdancers must /enslave/ the Fae.

Ok, lets follow this a bit..

If the Fae, who are the embodiment of nature, are naturally resistant to Taint, then how does Taint go Against nature.

Thats like saying, Oxygen is my enemy because I am immune to the poisions properties of Oxygen, and it has no affect on me. (ignore the fact that we breathe oxygen, I'm not an expert on human poisions and resistances, but I do know Oxygen will kill some forms of life)


Let me also note the inconsistancy in those two paragraphs. In one, the soulless gods are hurting the Fae, in the next The greatest of all soulless gods, has no power over the fae.

How exactly does it go /with/ Nature if it the spirits of Nature reject it?

Behold the power of Ellindel Treeheart and the Moondancers. She strengthened them by giving them physical form and as a result, they became resistant (at least, that's my best guess) to Taint.

The Taint is Neutral to Nature... Kethuru's pressence could not harm the Fae, they were immune to its affects, meaning Taint can not change them for the good or for the bad. Something on the cosmic planes however, are able to change them.

It is my guess that the soulless gods in the earth, used abiliites tied to the cosmic planes to poision the fae. Kethuru was a completely seperate beast.. he was doing something with the Taint, which instead of destroying things, as is the way of the soulless, he managed to find a way to mutate them and possess them. Those that were inflicted yet found a resistance to it, became marked but lived on and survived, making themselves stronger and more resistant to further manipulations from Kethuru.

Bad example. Oxygen is not by itself anymore of a poison than Sulfur. It is only when compared with a certain organism that it -can- be poisonous. Furthermore if we are going to be technical, pure Oxygen is in fact poisonous to humans. Therefore whereas you may be able to utilize oxygen in X-amount, you will die without it. You will die in too much of it.

My example says that the Fae are resistant to Taint. That doesn't exactly fit with this analogy.

That doesn't make sense, because everything with physical form is less resistant to the taint...

I am curious, The Greater spirits, and the Fae, what exactly is there relationship? From these two passages alone, I'm tempted to say that the Greater Spirits are a more cosmicly inclined spirit of the earth.. something that came to the Ethereal realm rather than was a product of it.

Wrong. The Fae were resistant to the Taint. That means that the Taint could not alter them like it did Glomdoring; however, they were not immune. The passage quite clearly states that Rowena slew them as a result of them not changing and being empowered as she felt she was.

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The Taint was not compatable with the spirit of Nature. It could not change them. It could only harm them.

To my understanding, the greater spirits were the creations of Elder Gods. For example, I believe Sister Lake is the creation of Lady Lisaera (or maybe it is Mother Moon, not sure). However, they are entirely different from the Fae. The Fae are the innate, natural spirits of Nature.

Oooh, if what you say is true then it fits teh Glomdoring model perfectly as an anology... The Etehreal realm without Taint will die, but also if it had Too much taint.. i.e. was controlled fully by Kethuru (a super concetrated form of Taint) then it would also die... and once again like all things, a balance is needed.

Correction though, after playing with funky ideas... The Fae are not resistant to Taint they are resistant to Kethuru... I think its important to seperate those. The "tainted fae" shows that they are infact not resistant to taint, they may be immune to taint... but when that Taint has a cosmic orgin, it most defintly changes them.

The Ethereal Plane existed without the Taint. Furthermore, no spirits of Nature inhabit Ethereal Glomdoring so we can assume that they would be just fine if it was burned to the ground. The physical manifestation of Nature is not the 'source' of Nature. The source is the spirit. Glomdoring is viewed by the Moondancers as more or less, an empty shell.

Furthermore, the tainted Fae event added some twists that have yet to be explained. At that point, all Fae in Faethorn and Ethereal Serenwilde were under the influence of Mother Moon. When the Avatars were fed to Gorgulu, there was a merge. However, without this merge, it is not possible for Fae to be tainted. It was a dumb event in my opinion.

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GLOMDORING IS VOID OF ANY NATURAL SPIRITS OF NATURE! The only way it can survive is by being parasitic and enslaving Fae. This in no way implies that without it, the pure, untainted will fall.

Didnt say I was proud just found it abit funny. And no need to be like that. Everyone downs Munsia's fighting ability calling her coward and lame and cant fight alone when this is untrue where many occasions I am stuck alone. Running from something to heal up is not considered a coward ya know its called being smart so get over yourself. Not everyone is tanky

Narsrim, you're completely ignoring the existance of slaugh, redcaps, and barghests, which are just as much fae as the rest of them, no?

They are not Fae. They are representations of Mother Night. There is a difference. Mother Night is not a Fae. She is a greater spirit of Nature. She was created by an Elder God (at least the others were). She in turn is able to represent herself in a physical form by the slaugh, redcaps, and barghests.

To prove this, if the Avatars of Mother Moon (her direct physical manifestations) are slain, the Moondancers cannot summon the Mother, Maiden, and Crone; however, the rest of the Fae can still be summoned. The same goes for Night.

He's also ignoring the fact that Fae don't live in Etehreal Serenwilde either, they have to be drugged to get to Serenwilde.

Fae only naturally exist in Faethorn.

Glomdoring is apparently an empty shell with more variety of life forms than Serenwilde has.

Incorrect. The histories make it clear that Fae were found in Ethereal Serenwilde, Ethereal Ackleberry, Ethereal Glorianna, and Faethorn -before- Glorianna was tainted. At this point, no Fae reside there.

DRUGGED?! Ha! Thats a good one.
Honeycombs are in no way drugged they are just perfect little yummy cakes that Lomdomian loves to eat too. If anything I would call it bribe

few things.

One, Ethereal realm lived fine before Taint existed, but once Taint became a part of the the Basin and its various planes, the Ethereal has NOT existed without Taint there. Remember, Taint did not exist untill Kethuru brought it.

Currently, Fae do not exist in Serenwilde, as they do not exist in Glomdoring... it can be assumed that when Rowena went around killing off fae (real kiling, not just sheding body forms) that Maeve called for all Fae to come back to Faethorn, after all you can't trust the great spirits anymore... And what makes you think Redcaps arn't fae? Thats just absurd.