Ceres you only ever killed me with inquisition, which shows how cheap you were as a knight.

You have only ever whored the cheapest skills of every class you've been in, this sin't a thread about you, so how boout you get off here and get back on topic woman! Now, back on topic!

Yeah, damn all you hijackers.

Well..


Have you ever spoken to me?

No.

Not having had Puer I can't comment on it, but Deepwounds in healing is not all that. As long as you are keeping your opponent on the defensive (healing deepwounds instead of attacking) then you are still ahead of the game. It is a huge Ego cost for them and eventually they will have a choice, healing burnout(meaning no healing at all for 10+ minutes), or accept the deepwounds and try and fight through them.

very good ceres, you pulled up an old log in which i'm sure I was inquisitioned, and a long time before i updated my system and poured some money and time into fighting.

People get better over time, I'm now a heap better than I was a long time ago, where you just whored the same things over and over.

Also Ceres, note this predates all the knight changes severely. You have killed me in the past, and If i remember that log, it was after you inquisitioned me, which doesn't prove you're anywhere near a good fighter, no-body ELSE thinks you are even CLOSE to being a good fighter, so quit with your self inflation of your egom AND GET BACK ON BLOODY TOPIC WOMAN!

Regen ticked the moment you struck, which occurs very often. Also, during the estelbar fight, you did 855 damage to me with one jab, and 875 on the next, when I was fully deffed up.

With 3500 health, chainmail, trans resilience, proofed cloak, coat and halo up, I don't think I'm exactly a "soft" target, but you still hit me for 1700 a round, plus stun, plus prone, plus paralysis.

You speak such utter crap sometimes .

You're no different now than you were at release. You still just spam for knockdown, generally killing with damage before bashbrains gets off, which it frequently does with negative wounding damage and the generally stupid knight formulas all 'round. As changes decrease your very, very few tactics in effectiveness, you do nothing but complain. There is no level on which your combat tactics could be called innovative. I'll remind you that you never killed me as a knight alone.

Ever.

Curse that overpowered halo!

ok, pot meet kettle. First of all combat will always slip down to the most viable attack combo for the race/guild combination of the player. Overall switching up your tactics is not for the kill it is to get the person into position for the combo that you are best at.

Now that we have addressed that and measured the size of our ****'s can we get back to Daevos' topic?

Ceres, you really have no clue do you.

As it stands, I am the ONLY speed/wounding bonecrusher, and I have recently killed daevos, and terenas in the arena in a fair match. Furthermore, my tactics have vastly changed from "just whoring knockdown", in fact im the ONLY bonecrusher out there to track his enemy' afflictions, each one of them, to keep track of what's healed.

Saying that I'm no different, is really stupid, and just proves how much of an utter loser you really are.

I'm easily top 3-4 knights in the realm, without artifacts. Grow up Ceres and quit with your attempts to bait me.

You know, I get tired of people bringing up the non-trans, non-masterweapon warriors to say that warriors need more upgrades than what the last round of changes offered them. It's a pretty damn ridiculous argument, and should be stopped now. I guess I am pretty biased when it comes to such things, since I have the con score that most of the specialized magic-users do, but I see us suffering right now.



Not really. The largely unused races were given tanky boosts. Artied warriors still have a 10p true instantkill against me and mine. Non-artied, but sufficiently well-equipped warriors actually have to fight against me to win the fight (for shame!), but I need to end my offense if I want to deal with their damage alone.



That's much like saying angels and demons are a joke. They afflict at a similar rate, barring the use of wrath. My angel is quite useless solo, sure. Your venoms would probably be pretty useless alone, too. Venoms + wounds + damage are not a joke, however.



Possibly. I'm quite thoroughly rendered useless by simple shields, moreso than you could understand as a knight that uses arm balance instead of equilibrium to get around said shields. It's frustrating, but I understand that it's part of the deal. The one major advantage I have is that I know when I hit a shield. I wouldn't mind if warriors were aware when they missed due to a stance. I would mind if the difficulties you experience become softened, though.



We can? If you're talking about ents, see above.

Oh, and just for the record, only guardians have access to those skills, so it's not really "especially true" for us. It's only true for us.



Tipheret/Summer? Diminish enchantments? It's not that bad. In fact, it sounds a lot like what I deal with against shields!

Oh, and my primary alt is an orclach. Writhe times between size 9 and size 15 aren't that significant.



I don't have astrology, so I'm speaking completely second-hand here. From what I hear, trumping up astrology's successes is a bit nonsensical, since they're seriously limited for good parts of the year. And damage knights do depend almost entirely on damage to win battles. It works quite nicely for them, given that such a large portion of the population has 10 con. It'll come back to get you when fighting targets with significant armor and high health. Let's not pretend that speed knights are still completely inviable, though. Shadowlords and aslaran seem to do well enough with it. It's definately a harder road to travel, but the recent wound upgrades make it an interesting possibility. Yes, even speed knights still win the fight because of damage, but the road there isn't so health-dependent.

Moving on!

Healers are stopped by debates. I'm really suprised that road isn't travelled more often. Puer is a necessity for guardians, since we can't really afford to stop drinking health. I wouldn't mind seeing it moved out of rituals and into cosmic/elementalism, though. What do the poor mages do about damage and wound stacking?

Woohoo for you, being able to kill people.

I can too, strangely enough.

Who are you better than? Alger? Aajen? I feel for you.

We die. Mages/Druids have a choice, apply health or sip health.

Ceres, just bugger off, you obviously have nothing constructive to add to this thread, could a moderator please monitor this thread to see it stays on tpoic

I see that the off-topic only bothers you after I crush your arguments. Again.

There's nothing wrong with puer and deepheal. Nothing can be done to remotely keep up with WOUNDs as it is, no need to downgrade the very thing that can possibly keep someone going in combat. I can pinleg someone -fast-, so they should have no way of healing this or stopping it? Yea, right, whatever.

Anyone have IM information for Daevos? He's been working on that post for almost 20 minutes now, and I want to see it before I start getting ready for work!

Edit: Nooo! He timed out!

Like the ideas Daevos, especially in that most damage knights would end up being true wounding knights, and speed knights would be venom afflictors. Though, as you mentioned venoms like charybdon and mantakaya would have to be removed or altered.

Xavius, when was the last time you fought since I do not remember seeing you for well over two RL months, do you even know about the current situation in battle? Elemental runes were downgraded and I can no longer one hit kill low level mages/druids in one hit. I have no problem with that since I suggested that they be downgraded my self, what I do have a problem with is the current dependence on damage that warriors have, with the numerous ways there are to counter us. And there is no way shield alone compares to parry, stances, rebounding, shield, armour, and shieldriposte.

There is a saying in IRE games, that all classes are supposed to be balanced at trans. And until you have trans Combat and Resilience, your judgement of how good warriors are or are not will always be flawed. Also you need some more levels, 64 just doesn't cut it. And I'm curious about your skill in Celestialism, since you seem to be labeling your angel as weak, when its hindering powers are nothing to sneeze at. There is also the fact that you have Amissio that brings me into Absolve range with only two uses.

I was just looking back through your post actually, and I noticed some fallacies. Like your comment that only Guardians have Puer. Have you forgotten about the Paladins and Ur'guard so fast. Sometimes its important to be able to understand those around you before you can understand yourself, you know. There was also your comment that most people have ten constitution, and thats obviously false, in my opinion. Since there are only three races with at or under 10 constitution, Faelings, Mugwumps and Merians.

On Healing though, I was one of the few fighters to actually use debate in battle. Its near worthless for one simple reason, offensive debate is weak in comparison to defensive debate. That may have changed now with the recent debate change, but I doubt it. There is also the fact that it affects only Deepheal not Puer.

But, Ixion, we Speed Knights would never kill anyone. I do.. what... maybe 200 damage to someone with my rapiers? Anyone with even half capable curing system would keep up with the venoms. I like Knight offensive as it is now.

Actually I was leaving the open to both styles of warrior combat, in those combatstyle suggestions. Speed warriors just need their wound damage lowered so that its not significantly higher over time than damage warriors.