Puer and probably Deepheal

by Daevos

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Murphy2005-06-30 17:17:33
Rafael, try fighting Terenas you'll see what speed BM is all about, he's pretty good with those rapiers of his.

A BM speed knight, can get some serious bleeding on someone if they don't cure it all properly, rend is a real bitch if you can work it properly.

Practise more!
Unknown2005-06-30 17:18:55
Terenas wouldn't do half as good to someone who had focus mind. It's impossible to mount an offensive against him with the insane paralysis curing time.
Murphy2005-06-30 17:20:03
I have focus mind rafael, And Terenas is just crazy good as a knight. He isn't unkillable though, you just need to use some kick ass tactics on him back
Daevos2005-06-30 17:21:48
Oh, I forgot, venoms......they are of limited use because they are so random. You never know what you are hitting with or when. Since we have a base affliction rate of 50%, which can be further lowered by 33% by Resilience.
Sylphas2005-06-30 17:22:17
64 doesn't cut it? Because you have to bash to 80 to fight as anything but a warrior? As a faeling, if I can't fight near 60, I can't fight until demigod. It's probably the same for a lot of other low con races without a ton of tankiness in skills (Mages/Druids).

*mutter*

Not that I think we should have it, because it's insane, but I'm starting to see the reasoning behind diamondskin.
Unknown2005-06-30 17:23:13
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jun 30 2005, 11:20 AM)
EDIT: I have focus mind rafael, And Terenas is just crazy good as a knight. He isn't unkillable though, you just need to use some kick ass tactics on him back
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See, I dont have it, and alot of others dont. The game shouldnt be tweaked to such as those who can trans every combat skill.
Ixion2005-06-30 17:23:38
Terenas still does well to those with trans discipline and as Murphy said terenas is pretty good with bleed stacking. Back when I had only fabled focus mind, I still hit his vitality pretty quick. Your offense might not be good against him, but not most good knights.

And to field that comment about the speed knights-- You'd afflict to hell in no time with raps as a fast race with the 100% afflict rate as Daevos said.

Heretic jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab.

Enemy= afflicted to hell= pretty much dead

EDIT: Focus mind is fabled Rafael, not trans. It also happens to be about the best and most useful curing skill available.
Daevos2005-06-30 17:24:15
Yes, Rafael, it should be and thats what IRE strives for. Balance at Transcendence.
Unknown2005-06-30 17:26:07
QUOTE(Daevos @ Jun 30 2005, 11:24 AM)
Yes, Rafael, it should be and thats what IRE strives for. Balance at Transcendence.
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Then it'll never happen, because most cannot trans all those skills. The public majority doesnt have most skills trans'd, so leaning toward transcendence is really quite stupid of IRE.
Gregori2005-06-30 17:26:57
Personally I always thought venom shrugging was to high. When I was Trans Resilience I was shrugging almost constantly. Put this in with the 50% affliction rate that Knights have already and it means venoms are not that useful to them.

Give them a better affliction rate on venoms. Make being a poisonist worthwhile to people like GWylifar *sagenod*
Daevos2005-06-30 17:27:35
Its quite profitable for IRE, and thats why they strive for it.
Unknown2005-06-30 17:28:54
"Make me not suck and I will buy more credits.." How sad..
Ixion2005-06-30 17:32:03
The sum of 1+1 is 3, as the whole is more than the sum of its components (basic philosophy). By your own example, you've reflected the idiocy back at yourself Ceres. Classic.
Ceres2005-06-30 17:33:31
QUOTE(Ixion @ Jun 30 2005, 05:32 PM)
The sum of 1+1 is 3, as the whole is more than the sum of its components (basic philosophy).
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There is no 1.
Thorgal2005-06-30 17:48:18
Actually Daevos, IRE works to balance all classes at trans guildskills...NOT omnitrans.

So needing to trans a common skill or tradeskill to stand a chance against someone with only trans guildskills, is not balanced...this is for example why they decoupled weaponry from chivalry in Achaea, now high chivalry does the same as trans weaponry used to do.
Daevos2005-06-30 17:51:07
What was it you told me when I complained about Amaru's Hangman/Trueheal/Soulless tactic? It was get tumble which is a Fabled skill, thus not far from Transcendence. There are also some Transcendent skills/skillsets that are needed to excel here against certain classes. Like Combat and Resilience to name two that effect me directly.
Thorgal2005-06-30 17:51:52
I told you various times, that I think Trueheal should not restore balance and equilibrium, just like I still think a failed inquisition move should throw off equilibrium, instead of enabling us to spam it, but I'm not the envoy.

That aside, tumble is at 50% into virtuoso.
Daevos2005-06-30 17:57:02
Still about 100 credits if not more into the skillset.

There are other examples as well of non-guild trans skills that mean the difference between life and death. Antidotes' Purge Blood and the Tree(which is much easier to maintain after transing Tattoos) on Imperian against Inyvon's Level 3 sabres with Asp. And focus mind of Survival on all IRE games but Lusternia.
Thorgal2005-06-30 18:02:31
Still better than the 600 you need against knights.
Narsrim2005-06-30 19:30:11
The Healing skillset should, above all, be the best equipped to handle afflictions. This is true in very few cases; however, quite true with Deepheal. There are, however, drawbacks. The amount of ego drained varies according to the amount of wounds being healed. I have actually deephealed two limbs in a row and shot myself down 3000+ ego to the point that I suffered healing burnout (you lose the entire skillset 1 hour, you lose experience based upon if you had killed yourself).

In sum, Deepheal is fine. It is one of the two abilities in Healing that make the skillset in any way useful.