Galatae2005-07-12 20:05:42
Advanced evil furrikin, faeling, trill, ... I've even seen one that looked like an elfen before, strangely enough. Lived in Magnagora, too.
Daganev2005-07-12 20:06:39
Furrikin can be any woodland animal, Viscanti can be any race, as long as they arn't 'pure' in that race.
Richter2005-07-12 20:07:55
You did say "flame away"...
Now that I feel that I have sufficiently torn into your post, let me say that we actually -do- hope you stay with us. Most of us realize newbies are the future of the game, because as we lose older players, we need new ones to replace them. So, just remember:
1. Always be nice. You'll get what you want easier.
2. Roleplay, you'll shock people (if it is believeable).
3. Ask smart questions, and don't let people give you crap if your "stupid" question is valid.
4. If you don't like the way an organization is run, it's not hard to get into the upper levels. Help the guild, make your presence known, and you'll likely get at least an undersecretary position. People like Adracunin in my guild did that, showed that he was able to take on responsibility. We liked him, and made him a secretary not long after he joined us.
PM me or ask me a question in game, if you can't find anyone else to help you.
Love,
Richter
QUOTE(GothMirr @ Jul 12 2005, 10:17 AM)
Being a new player to Lusternia, I find several things that seem much too strict?
Is that a statement or a question?
I have experimented with all four cities / communes and would like to sum up my experience.
I. Celest : After training and thumping in Newton Caverns, I asked a question over NEWBIE channel, no response. I tried GNT, no repsonse, so I went to CT. "don't spout that crap over CT, use the NEWBIE channel !"
God, Celest must suck. Glomdoring treats its novices better than that. Newbie channel is a bit rough sometimes, if there aren't enough people around to answer questions.
II. Serenwilde : *crickets*
Meh, well. How were you phrasing your questions? Were you taking an angry and or insulting tone, or were you asking nicely?
III. Magnagora (my favorite) : I first tried to play an Obese Rat Geomancer. "You can NOT be a furrikin, go play Celest if you want to be a Rat".
My second attempt, "Only those who have earned the right to use CT should say anything on this topic (I think I was a whole 2 hours away from graduating Novicehood, so my opinion doesn't mean ^%$# I guess).
It's called roleplaying. You want to do it, so expect them to do it back. Get into the history a bit, and you'll see just why a furrikin would be wierd in Magnagora. It's comparable to being black in the 1960's southern usa. You're not going to be treated well, and you might even get kicked out.
As for your opinion meaning nothing, you're correct. But remember, they're roleplaying this.
IV. Glomdoring : Wow..what a change. I was greeted right away. I think I used an emote once on a channel, the response "PLEASE, read the decorum documentation, and a private tell asking me to please not do things that can not be seen.
Don't emote on channels. Even if you do not agree with it, just don't do it. People say things over channels, they do not fondle/tackle/stalk/jab on channels. This pisses some peolpe off, but they get over it, or meet my morphling in an uncomfortable way.
The emote topic is another thing I find very odd. These can help explain your attitude. There are no voice fluxuations online, how do you tell if someone is joking or not?
ie. "Your an Arse !"
  *wink* "Your an Arse!"
This can mean two entirely different things. If no emote is used, it looks like a flat out insult?
I think someone else said it well before. There are different ways to say things. Be creative for god's sake, you're in a -text- game. Using the overused "heh" "heh heh" or "haha" is effective. Wouldn't you be slightly laughing or snickering anyway if you really said that?
Using abbreviations : I can't even say Glom or Mag? I have to spell the damn thing out every time? What is that ? If I was having a conversation with a friend, I would use the abbreviations? I an not a RoXoR DOOD, I am just an average joe.
I never speak in ebonics. It just seems a tad strict?
OMGZ I might have to spel in a text game? *flap* Oh noez!
I don't call Canada "can", I don't call Austrailia "aus" and I don't call Germany "germ". I call the United States of America the USA beause it has three words in the name. Until Glomdoring, Celest, Magnagora, and Serenwilde have more than one word as their name, I'll stick with typing the whole thing.
I guess the main thing that bothered me was the attitude by the so called "leaders" of the cities / communes, we ARE newbies for a reason. Don't get me wrong, there are a TON of helpful people in this community, I just find that attitudes are a bit rough at times.
Ask nicely an you will get almost anything answered. We hate a lot of newbies because they're idiots. Prove that you are not, and you will be liked.
There are reasons why some games die very quickly, and the people are what make a difference.
Going on one year baby. Achaea, Aetolia, and Imperian have not "died" quickly or slowly, and Lusternia is better than the three of those anyway.
Tossing my two cents out there.
FLAME AWAY, the Vernal Gods know we can't do that over any Chat channel in game !
There was once a chat channel in game. In beta. A chat channel destroys RP, there is proof of that. No, I don't care to provide it. I'd actually prefer if there were no shouts as well. You don't see me chatting with every person in the world at once at all times do you? Chat is bad. Chat leads to talking about Xboxes and snuggling. Chat leads to places like Aetolia.
Is that a statement or a question?
I have experimented with all four cities / communes and would like to sum up my experience.
I. Celest : After training and thumping in Newton Caverns, I asked a question over NEWBIE channel, no response. I tried GNT, no repsonse, so I went to CT. "don't spout that crap over CT, use the NEWBIE channel !"
God, Celest must suck. Glomdoring treats its novices better than that. Newbie channel is a bit rough sometimes, if there aren't enough people around to answer questions.
II. Serenwilde : *crickets*
Meh, well. How were you phrasing your questions? Were you taking an angry and or insulting tone, or were you asking nicely?
III. Magnagora (my favorite) : I first tried to play an Obese Rat Geomancer. "You can NOT be a furrikin, go play Celest if you want to be a Rat".
My second attempt, "Only those who have earned the right to use CT should say anything on this topic (I think I was a whole 2 hours away from graduating Novicehood, so my opinion doesn't mean ^%$# I guess).
It's called roleplaying. You want to do it, so expect them to do it back. Get into the history a bit, and you'll see just why a furrikin would be wierd in Magnagora. It's comparable to being black in the 1960's southern usa. You're not going to be treated well, and you might even get kicked out.
As for your opinion meaning nothing, you're correct. But remember, they're roleplaying this.
IV. Glomdoring : Wow..what a change. I was greeted right away. I think I used an emote once on a channel, the response "PLEASE, read the decorum documentation, and a private tell asking me to please not do things that can not be seen.
Don't emote on channels. Even if you do not agree with it, just don't do it. People say things over channels, they do not fondle/tackle/stalk/jab on channels. This pisses some peolpe off, but they get over it, or meet my morphling in an uncomfortable way.
The emote topic is another thing I find very odd. These can help explain your attitude. There are no voice fluxuations online, how do you tell if someone is joking or not?
ie. "Your an Arse !"
  *wink* "Your an Arse!"
This can mean two entirely different things. If no emote is used, it looks like a flat out insult?
I think someone else said it well before. There are different ways to say things. Be creative for god's sake, you're in a -text- game. Using the overused "heh" "heh heh" or "haha" is effective. Wouldn't you be slightly laughing or snickering anyway if you really said that?
Using abbreviations : I can't even say Glom or Mag? I have to spell the damn thing out every time? What is that ? If I was having a conversation with a friend, I would use the abbreviations? I an not a RoXoR DOOD, I am just an average joe.
I never speak in ebonics. It just seems a tad strict?
OMGZ I might have to spel in a text game? *flap* Oh noez!
I don't call Canada "can", I don't call Austrailia "aus" and I don't call Germany "germ". I call the United States of America the USA beause it has three words in the name. Until Glomdoring, Celest, Magnagora, and Serenwilde have more than one word as their name, I'll stick with typing the whole thing.
I guess the main thing that bothered me was the attitude by the so called "leaders" of the cities / communes, we ARE newbies for a reason. Don't get me wrong, there are a TON of helpful people in this community, I just find that attitudes are a bit rough at times.
Ask nicely an you will get almost anything answered. We hate a lot of newbies because they're idiots. Prove that you are not, and you will be liked.
There are reasons why some games die very quickly, and the people are what make a difference.
Going on one year baby. Achaea, Aetolia, and Imperian have not "died" quickly or slowly, and Lusternia is better than the three of those anyway.
Tossing my two cents out there.
FLAME AWAY, the Vernal Gods know we can't do that over any Chat channel in game !
There was once a chat channel in game. In beta. A chat channel destroys RP, there is proof of that. No, I don't care to provide it. I'd actually prefer if there were no shouts as well. You don't see me chatting with every person in the world at once at all times do you? Chat is bad. Chat leads to talking about Xboxes and snuggling. Chat leads to places like Aetolia.
151830
Now that I feel that I have sufficiently torn into your post, let me say that we actually -do- hope you stay with us. Most of us realize newbies are the future of the game, because as we lose older players, we need new ones to replace them. So, just remember:
1. Always be nice. You'll get what you want easier.
2. Roleplay, you'll shock people (if it is believeable).
3. Ask smart questions, and don't let people give you crap if your "stupid" question is valid.
4. If you don't like the way an organization is run, it's not hard to get into the upper levels. Help the guild, make your presence known, and you'll likely get at least an undersecretary position. People like Adracunin in my guild did that, showed that he was able to take on responsibility. We liked him, and made him a secretary not long after he joined us.
PM me or ask me a question in game, if you can't find anyone else to help you.
Love,
Richter
Unknown2005-07-12 20:46:35
Regarding the emotes, it's simple... don't use emotes on aetherwaves unless it's previously stated that it's ok to do that. Exceptions: *smile* *chuckle* etc, things that involve either something audible or at least a very obvious change in tone of your voice. *winks* don't really do that, usually people wink -because- they keep their voice normal.
Anyway, this is not about anyone being restrictive, as someone initially said, it's part of IRE policy in pretty much all their MUDs. Hasn't always been enforced that much, but after a while we got tired of people *snugglepouncekissing* everyone on GT every time they logged on. Bleuch.
Anyway, this is not about anyone being restrictive, as someone initially said, it's part of IRE policy in pretty much all their MUDs. Hasn't always been enforced that much, but after a while we got tired of people *snugglepouncekissing* everyone on GT every time they logged on. Bleuch.
Unknown2005-07-12 20:48:03
*smile* is *NOT* an exception, and is a very bad one.
Gwylifar2005-07-12 20:49:21
Wait, Serenwilde CT is quiet? What time of day are you logging on? Most of the time I'm there, if there's something wrong it's the opposite: can't find room for anything serious in between the friendly chatter.
I think -chuckle- is fine. -smile- is on the blurry line, but I'm inclined to accept it because really you can hear in someone's voice the difference between saying something with a smile and not; it's just making up some of the gap between real voices and plain text. However, anyone who does
(Serenwilde): Idiot says, "-flops into Person's arms-."
shall be killed. Plus, their character should also be killed. I'm inclined to feel the same about "-blink-." and my favorite of all, "..." (if you're not saying anything, don't do it so loud!).
I think -chuckle- is fine. -smile- is on the blurry line, but I'm inclined to accept it because really you can hear in someone's voice the difference between saying something with a smile and not; it's just making up some of the gap between real voices and plain text. However, anyone who does
(Serenwilde): Idiot says, "-flops into Person's arms-."
shall be killed. Plus, their character should also be killed. I'm inclined to feel the same about "-blink-." and my favorite of all, "..." (if you're not saying anything, don't do it so loud!).
Richter2005-07-12 20:59:32
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Jul 12 2005, 12:48 PM)
*smile* is *NOT* an exception, and is a very bad one.
151919
I hate when people do that. Sound emotes are borederline, but smiling...?
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Jul 12 2005, 12:49 PM)
(Serenwilde): Idiot says, "-flops into Person's arms-."
shall be killed. Plus, their character should also be killed. I'm inclined to feel the same about "-blink-." and my favorite of all, "..." (if you're not saying anything, don't do it so loud!).
151920
This is why we love Gwylifar.
tarik2005-07-12 21:34:46
QUOTE(Richter @ Jul 12 2005, 08:07 PM)
There was once a chat channel in game. In beta. A chat channel destroys RP, there is proof of that. No, I don't care to provide it. I'd actually prefer if there were no shouts as well. You don't see me chatting with every person in the world at once at all times do you? Chat is bad. Chat leads to talking about Xboxes and snuggling. Chat leads to places like Aetolia.
You should realise Richter that there are many muds out there that define RP a lot differently to Lusternia. To some people an OOC channel would be considered essential for good roleplay. Having said that I'm fairly sure the OP isn't one of them
To respond to the original post though, I agree with much of what has been said already in that abbreviating proper names is bad form and so are emotes over channels. If you want to hug someone then go find them and hug them!
Richter2005-07-12 21:46:35
QUOTE(tarik @ Jul 12 2005, 01:34 PM)
You should realise Richter that there are many muds out there that define RP a lot differently to Lusternia.
Cool for them. Play those MUDs then.
To some people an OOC channel would be considered essential for good roleplay.
Who? Here in Lusternia people think that?
Cool for them. Play those MUDs then.
To some people an OOC channel would be considered essential for good roleplay.
Who? Here in Lusternia people think that?
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tarik2005-07-13 00:55:03
QUOTE(Richter @ Jul 12 2005, 09:46 PM)
Cool for them. Play those MUDs then
I have played them thanks, perhaps you should give them a try yourself? You are the one who is saying that an OOC channel destroys RP, after all. I am just presenting an alternate viewpoint.
Unknown2005-07-13 01:46:04
Well, one thing an OOC channel does is provide an outlet for all the *snuggles* *pounces* talk of game mechanics, etc that have no place IC.
That, and it allows you to OOCly clarify what you're trying to do with your RP. You can use it to make sure that there are no hurt feelings OOC when tempers flare IC, all sorts of things.
It's actually somewhat surprising to me that IRE games have no OOC channel. Most games that focus heavily on roleplay have one, as far as I know (Not that I've gone and looked at a few hundred to form a good sample size or anything, I could be wrong on that)
That, and it allows you to OOCly clarify what you're trying to do with your RP. You can use it to make sure that there are no hurt feelings OOC when tempers flare IC, all sorts of things.
It's actually somewhat surprising to me that IRE games have no OOC channel. Most games that focus heavily on roleplay have one, as far as I know (Not that I've gone and looked at a few hundred to form a good sample size or anything, I could be wrong on that)
Xavius2005-07-13 01:54:38
You're all talking on Lusternia's OOC channel right now! The Forums are our OOC outlet. Keeps this nonsense out of the game.
Stangmar2005-07-13 02:55:32
And if the forums aren't good enough, go onto IRC! There is always funny going on there.
Unknown2005-07-13 02:57:57
I find rat-like Furrikin Geomancer idea interesting. Especially if roleplayed well. Sure, Viscanti are superior in Magnagora while Merians and Elfen, even if are able to stay, are considered nothing more than slaves or simple trash. As a furrikin, you'd have to accept being a second rate citizen at first but I think you could earn some trust after a long period of proving yourself. That's just my opinion, but if Aslarans are fine, why not furrikins?
Channel emotes ruin the mood. A tad Serious? If Serious means to you that people don't go OOC randomly on channels, yes. Because you can have fun staying in role. Without channel emotes.
I hope people dealing with novices guide them, not just tell them to off. Cause Lusternia obviously needs more players.
Channel emotes ruin the mood. A tad Serious? If Serious means to you that people don't go OOC randomly on channels, yes. Because you can have fun staying in role. Without channel emotes.
I hope people dealing with novices guide them, not just tell them to off. Cause Lusternia obviously needs more players.
Daganev2005-07-13 03:05:03
I think the muds where an OOC channel HELPS RP are the muds where the game mechanics do not enforce thier own type of roleplay like IRE does. For example, in muds where you type KILL and then your charachter fights untill death, its easy to seperate yourself from your charachter, but when you are involved in every little detail of your charachter, and quests affect politics and player governments then time has shown that OOC channels ruin the secrecy needed to pull off good events.
tarik2005-07-13 03:36:48
QUOTE(daganev @ Jul 13 2005, 03:05 AM)
I think the muds where an OOC channel HELPS RP are the muds where the game mechanics do not enforce thier own type of roleplay like IRE does. For example, in muds where you type KILL and then your charachter fights untill death, its easy to seperate yourself from your charachter, but when you are involved in every little detail of your charachter, and quests affect politics and player governments then time has shown that OOC channels ruin the secrecy needed to pull off good events.
152054
I think that's exactly right. My initial impression of Lusternia is it's more about role immersion than role play (in the old fashioned MUSH sense of the word). In Lusternia, an OOC channel would likely only act to break that immersion.
Unknown2005-07-13 05:04:06
It would. You allow one place to have OOC and the next thing you know there will be people in rooms talking OOCly because no one is around to tap them on the head. If you truly want to have an OOC conversation tells are the next best thing since it's more private than anything else. Clans are second to this, but I think that's just as bad as any OOC channel.
Anyway, you should stick to the game. It isn't too bad once you get past that point, but as a true newbie someone should be helping you along via tells or questioning your "newness from the Portal" rather than acting like a pompous ass, roleplay or not. It's bad enough that everyone thinks that the credit market is turning people away, but to do so personally is just terrible.
You'll get through it though if you do stick to it, but if not don't worry about it. This just might not be for you.
Anyway, you should stick to the game. It isn't too bad once you get past that point, but as a true newbie someone should be helping you along via tells or questioning your "newness from the Portal" rather than acting like a pompous ass, roleplay or not. It's bad enough that everyone thinks that the credit market is turning people away, but to do so personally is just terrible.
You'll get through it though if you do stick to it, but if not don't worry about it. This just might not be for you.
Daganev2005-07-13 05:23:20
QUOTE(tarik @ Jul 12 2005, 07:36 PM)
I think that's exactly right. My initial impression of Lusternia is it's more about role immersion than role play (in the old fashioned MUSH sense of the word). In Lusternia, an OOC channel would likely only act to break that immersion.
152057
Holy crap your right, and Sarapis even wrote an article to that sentiment that I had forgotten about.
TMS should create a new label IRP (Immersive Role Playing) as apposed to RPE (Roleplay enforced/encoraged)
Lusternia is basicaly an IRPG, not to be confused with an Intercontinental Rocket propelled Grenade.
Murphy2005-07-13 05:42:27
So that was YOU gothmir, you annoying little bastard.
You were talking politics on CT, something that you had no idea what you were on about with seren and glom alliances.
You were asked to take it to tells (we don't like random shit on CT, deal with it) and you didn't.
then I told you, you don't have a right to voice your opinion as a newbie, or lowbie until you've earnt your right to be heard.
then you said LOL no wonder mags are suiciding, haha you're too serious wank wank LOL, go play something else you idiot if you can't see that magnagora is strict and trying to buck the trend.
EDIT: Furthermore, its an RP environment, what you think we're gonna let you publically disrepect anyone when you're here for 5 minutes? what the hell makes you think your opinion counts for squat? Don't like it? then you'll be forced to leave. people put time and work into making Magnagora the best, part of that is not letting smart-ass, know-nothing, over-emoting newbies spam CT.
If you submitted to discipline, you would've found out how things worked, but instead you mouthed off, and were henceforth removed (you ran to newton soon after, which conveniently prevented me from coming after you)
You were talking politics on CT, something that you had no idea what you were on about with seren and glom alliances.
You were asked to take it to tells (we don't like random shit on CT, deal with it) and you didn't.
then I told you, you don't have a right to voice your opinion as a newbie, or lowbie until you've earnt your right to be heard.
then you said LOL no wonder mags are suiciding, haha you're too serious wank wank LOL, go play something else you idiot if you can't see that magnagora is strict and trying to buck the trend.
EDIT: Furthermore, its an RP environment, what you think we're gonna let you publically disrepect anyone when you're here for 5 minutes? what the hell makes you think your opinion counts for squat? Don't like it? then you'll be forced to leave. people put time and work into making Magnagora the best, part of that is not letting smart-ass, know-nothing, over-emoting newbies spam CT.
If you submitted to discipline, you would've found out how things worked, but instead you mouthed off, and were henceforth removed (you ran to newton soon after, which conveniently prevented me from coming after you)
Anarias2005-07-13 05:50:33
Murphy, you almost entice me to be in the Ur'guard.