Me too.

come one, come all, rolll up to jon the ur'guard, discipline for all

Another great example of the so called "leadership" in this game. You go Murphy!

Roleplaying doesn't mean being an A-Hole.

I also knew more about the alliance than half the regulars in Magnagora, use that shining personality of yours and let your realm mates know what is going on.

Roleplaying can mean being an asshole, and I don't generally be an asshole to people, only those who piss me off.

Also, you had no IC reason to know about the alliance, and secondly you don't know squat from what you were saying. Magnagora is a militant state, run by the fighters and we don't tolerate idiots like you.

Novices in our city learn their place, and honestly you didn't do ANYTHING to earn the right to be heard on CT about it.

Magnagora ISN'T a bloody democracy, you aren't afforded free speech, if you don't like it then OFF TO ANOTHER CITY.

EDIT: Watch the language. ~Shiri~

Like I said, if you roleplay, expect others to do so.

If you have information your character should not know ic, you're asking for it.

And people love Murphy and his RPing. The Ur'Guard are one of the more popular guilds among novices.

I really hope you think you make a "good leader". Maybe in your minds eye you do.

These games do reflect YOU in real life to a large extent.
I hope you remember that!

My dear Gothmirr, my character is hardly what I am in real life, and sadly, only Arlent and Olan have met me.

I can't speak for Murphy, because I've never met my in game brother.

I like to think that these games reflect us maybe a small extent. It's our ideas that go into the person... but how the character comes off as, that isn't who we are.

For example. Josun is a guy. I am not. I consider gender to be a big part of who I am... but Josun doesn't reflect that huge part of me that defines so much of who I am and what I do.

PS... is there a Murphy fan club?

These games, any game for that matter, do reflect our personalitys.

Sorry Xenthos, but I will use you as an example.

I can tell from in game talk that Xenthos in real life is a calm mannered, polite person who loves to help others. This shows in his mannerisms (sp?).

He is still a fearless leader, and commands respect from an in game perspective, but you can "feel" a persons persona in the "real world".

The other person I won't even bother mentioning. You can tell by his posts alone what kind of person he is.

Just my thoughts, yet again.

What the hell are you on about, if my character reflects on me for being a tough bastard who has no time for dickheads, and not much sympathy for them either, then so be it, i'm a bit like that.

By your own admission, you just proved my point that you are a wanker OOC too, judging by your reaction on here and IC.

also note my leadership position as a champion is VOTED, and I got my city rank from hard work an dedication, i've earnt my right to speak out for the city. even if i wasn't the ur'guard champion I'd still be in the leadership.

Also, not I nor anybody else gives a rats ass about you, or your opinions about us as leaders, now bugger off until you are mature enough to enjoy a little roleplaying.

EDIT: In real life I can be a very nice guy, I can also however be an absolute bastard with no human compassion. Murphy is like this also, but what does it matter? Call me an asshole, i really don't care.

Need I say more. Just read the post above.

excatly, you don't need to say anything else. You've found your position in glomdoring and i hope you enjoy your RP there, you aren't however welcome in magnagora with the type of character you want to play, just as i'm not welcome in celest or serenwilde.

That being said heaven help you if they ever convince me to join glom

First off... Murphy is amazing IC... His whole role is great... Whether you appreciate that role in game is another matter entirely... I hated his arse (had to get that word in there) for ages untill I got over it and grudgingly gave him the respect he's more than earned over the years...

As for your knowing politics as a novice or just past novice person... Any person who just came out of the portal of fate is going to know JACK as far as politics go... Whether you know a lot about em OOC doesn't matter, you saying you know about em IC is just horribly roleplay... Its like... If one of us went back in time with a couple history books to a great war, we'd be able to take any side we wanted to and beat the crap out of the other side cuz we'd know all their moves... It kind of removes the whole acctual intrigue of the situation...

Lets see... Then you were on about not getting a response over channels... I regret that... I used to be really active over GNT, GT and CT when I was in Serenwilde... But lately, I'm just kind of a loner... I can't speak for everyone, but I think all the guilds do the best they can to make sure novices are guided through the propper steps

Emotes over channels, Smile and other physical stuff I sometimes use over personal tells cuz I don't wanna walk my arse all the way to the person to get across that I'm smiling... I thing Laugh, Chuckle, Giggle, Whine, Growl, and any other verbal or audible emote is more than in the propper context of a CT, or GT message... It helps get the mood across... But Action stuff doesn't belong on those channels Your not going to stick your tongue out at someone or lick em... Although they might hear a big ol Nyah when ya do it...

Whee, long response... Murphy, you rock

EDIT: Forgot about IC vs OOC personalitys... Suhnaye I play pretty close to myself cuz I enjoy playin that way the most... But I've also played unbelievably sadistic and evil characters too... That are nothing like me... And I suppose I enjoyed them too... Though not really as much

Mind the personal comments, please, or they will be removed.

First of all, I would like everyone to take a step back and recall that at one point, we were all annoying newbies that had no idea what was going on. In my case, when I first stepped into Achaea many years ago, I spent about five minutes having a conversation in a foreign language over the Magi GNT. I got shouted at, I got bitched at, and I was subsequently so annoyed that I gave up muds altogether for almost a year.

My second experience was a bit less dramatic, but I was still being annoyingly oblivious, going AFK in the middle of interviews and those kind of things. It was only because I met up with a particularly friendly and patient mentor that I learned what most IRE muds are really about (this was back when Aetolia had more RP then it did today, and the Imperium was still alive… well, undead at the very least.).

The point I am trying to make is that people hold different opinions, if I were to have started out in Aardwolf, or however that horrible “Hax0r” game is spelt, I wouldn’t be where I am today, and I would have an altogether different opinion as to what a MUD should be like. People either grow to like a certain MUD or they don’t, it’s their choice and their opinion is no more or less “right” or “wrong” then our own.

Dear GothMirr here is at this point obviously holding different opinions about Roleplay and MUDS then what Lusternia stands for. He is very welcome to this opinion, however, as he is already noticing; it is not proving very compatible with Lusternia’s moral values. That said, I would like everyone to please stop calling each other names, we close threads for mudslinging and flaming on the Idiots forum and this was General, last time I checked.

Please be patient with people of different background, no matter how self-righteous and annoying they can be. In time, they will either grow to enjoy Lusternia’s roleplay, or they won’t in which case they will continue to behave in this matter, never really get anywhere and eventually get bored and leave.

And I must say, I have seen some quite stunning metamorphosis’s in my time, from people coming in and behaving like they’re the king of the world and swearing at anyone they met to respected guildmasters who were later hailed to be among the most credible roleplayers in the realms.

I agree with Kidaen.

The main problems I see with:

Gothmirr:

You've gotta take your own advice and relax. You're taking IC issues out into Forums and you're putting your emotions into it. Handle IC matters ICly. If you're unhappy with people IC, then deal with it IC. Don't take it out into the forums and bad mouthing everybody that did you wrong.

Understand that all of the IRE are deeply RP - Lusternia more than any other. Many of us oldies having played other IRE and then played Lusternia at least since Open Beta have established the game to be much more involved with RP than other IRE games. We pride on this and will not let some new player to detriment that. When IG, understand that most of us are in a persona of another person. Many people who talk to me on mIRC and see me as Aebrin in Lusternia sees two different people (generally).

Each city and community defines their own RP. Magnagora being an Engine of Transformation, Glomdoring being a dark Commune, Celest being a Holy City of Light and Serenwilde being treehugging loving squirrels (j/k). Having someone so new jumping into CT and arguing about the leadership ideals - especially those who have been voted into their position, been established as great leaders, is not warmly accepted. These leaders have gone through being newbies and novices and built up their reputation to such an extent that they have practically carved their names on the Portal of Fates and marked their territories. If you go into the respective cities and commune and ask "Who's Murphy?" or "Who's Rhysus?" or "Who's Niara?" etc. etc., many of the older players can list out their full histories and their achievements. When you start bad mouthing their long establishment IG, many will repel you. It's interested RP, and I've played it before, but I had a purpose to it, not just throwing my arms up and ranting.

For you others:

Kidaen is right, we all have been novices and said stupid things. I guess it's to be tolerant up to a stage. But I understand that it can get too far. Perhaps gentle words would have been better than a frontal assault. I get mad when newbies do stupid things, but I try to be tolerant as best as I can.

G'luck Glommies.

My remarks are more of a general view of this game. I did say there are many helpful players out there. The leaders of this game should take it upon themselves to be true leaders and help people out.

I never mentioned anyone until Murphy opened his mouth (big shock there though). My attacks are not necessarily directed at him, but he is a good example of what I am refering to when I speak of "leadership" or lack there of.

Actually GothMirr....most of us, no matter how much we might be afraid of him/hate him IC...from a OOC perspective Murphy is doing exactly what he should be. Yes, he can be a marjor butthead at times (you know I you though Murphy), his attitude IS Magnagora's attitude. You have to step back, and look at the roleplay of the whole city to understand his way of doing things. It's harsh..no arguements. But it works. It doesn't work for everyone, but it works for those that are there.

That said, I hope you find Glomdoring more to your liking. Just don't *grin* on the main channels or you'll get thwapped *chuckle*

The closest term I can think of that is in common use in the MUD community would be RPI, or Roleplay Intensive. This term is generally applied only to a very few games with quite specific features where the RP is driven by game mechanics and not consensual as it is in many other games. I am not sure if TMS has this label, I know TMC do, although it's use is controversial.

IRE seems to adopt a rather passive approach to RP where one can participate in roleplaying simply by refraining from emoting on public channels and behaving in a consistent way. It's likely this is a throwback to Mihaly's time in Avalon and their infamous HELP CONCEPT with it's insistence that there is no distinction between IC and OOC. The rp focus in Lusternia seems to be on the macro scale and revolves around politics, warfare, plotting and scheming.

The flip side to this, or micro rp, is a more active style of rp where players make a conscious effort to interact with one another IC. It's small scale, everyday rp, and I suppose goes back to tabletop pen and paper rpgs where a group of people come together to create interesting rp situations for each other. This is the kind of consensual rp popular in MUSHes where rp scenes are actively created for the enjoyment of all participants.

Obviously the big draw of IRE games is the conflict, both in terms of PvP and politics, and as such the kind of immersive rp the system encourages is a perfect fit. Although my preference is for this style of immersive rp (otherwise I wouldn't be here!), I would certainly like to see a little more effort made to rp on a smaller scale, and will certainly try and push this with my own character in the future.

I'm gonna just jump on the bandwagon and explain this again, here.

Murphy is doing exactly what he needs to with his leadership role in this game. He's scaring off people who can't deal with Magnagora or the Ur'Guard before they become a problem, and shaping the ones who can deal with it into what the organization wants them to be.

And perhaps you are unfamliar with concepts like discipline and chain of command? I think Murphy mentioned some military experience somewhere, so he's drawing from real life. The leadership of the Ur'guard have decided it will be a military organization and it is run like one.

Intolerance for disrespect is a real part of such organizations, and physical and emotional punishment is applied until disrespect no longer occurs.