Sylphas2005-07-22 20:15:30
Apparently, combat is only balanced when you're omnitrans, defending against someone who's tritrans.
Daevos2005-07-22 20:16:35
So your point is that only guild skills should be consideres when balancing guild skills(also known as the large bulk of offensive skills). Curious though, is your utopia a game where its impossible to kill people who trans more than guild skills?
Edit: I tested AmputateArm and it seemed fine to me, but then again I tested it with both arms amputated.
Edit: I tested AmputateArm and it seemed fine to me, but then again I tested it with both arms amputated.
Sylphas2005-07-22 20:18:43
I'd love to see resilience and combat just go away entirely, and balance around that. You shouldn't have to trans two extra skills to have a chance against a decent warrior.
Terenas2005-07-22 20:28:05
QUOTE(Rafael)
nyone with a really fast katana could keep someone paralyzed and slip in other venoms throughout each attack, which still doesn't deter you'd be able to pull of upwards of 1300 damage and keep someone paralysed every 4.5 seconds they get out if they don't have focus mind
Let's look at it this way.
Focus body is roughly 4 seconds at inept, around 1 second at Trans, roughly 2 at Virtuoso (Focus Mind). If someone is hitting you with a katana, that means he is not hitting you for any damage at all, period. If they are hitting you for 1300 damage, that means they will have to do that every 5 seconds roughly.
Any decent fighter will have at least up to insomnia in Discipline, which pretty much reduces your focus body time down to around ~3.5 seconds. And of course you're not taking into accounts rebounding, if you bother to smoke rebounding every 6 seconds. I really don't see any problems at all here.
Unknown2005-07-22 20:44:05
Shake. I took 500 damage from Thorgal's katana, someone without fullplate will take more. As for razing, they can then just cleave and a fast race will still put them in check with continual paralysis, even if they get a small time frame outside it- what're they going to do then? Run before they get locked up again?!
Roark2005-07-22 20:45:37
QUOTE(Daevos @ Jul 22 2005, 02:53 PM)
According to Roark, my claymore should have two runes of lightning on it, even though it doesn't show properly.
156073
Been too busy to fix that...
Unknown2005-07-22 20:48:58
Lollicopter! I was just telling Thorgal on AIM, "I'd not wipe my with toilet paper I wasn't sure was there.."
Daevos2005-07-22 23:28:02
Sorry for the delay but it took me a bit to forge a appropriate testing claymore. My runes were also removed from my broadswords, since that was a oversight from a transfer, so this is a no artifact test. Also it must be noted that Rakor had no regeneration at all, so this test was as accurate as I could make it. Anyway here is it, a more thorough test of 2h vs 1h damage.
Attacker - Me
Relevant Skills:
Transcendent Pureblade
No Blademaster
Stats:
Strength - 20
Dexterity - 12
Weapons:
Claymore - Damage: 356 Precision: 305 Speed: 157
Broadsword 1 - Damage: 170 Precision: 172 Speed: 151
Broadsword 2 - Damage: 170 Precision: 172 Speed: 151
Test Dummy - Rakor
Relevant Skills:
Inept Resilience
Armor:
Field Plate - Cutting Defense: 74 Blunt Defense: 82
Great Helm - Cutting Defense: 87 Blunt Defense: 82
Testing
Claymore
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "5230 to 4179 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 4345 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 3912 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4826 to 3775 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "Ready."
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 3912 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "Ready."
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 4345 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Broadswords
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, and from 4219 3011 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds and from 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent,then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
4Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 4004 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Results
Claymore
Health Damage: 1051, 618, 1051, 1051, 1051, 618
Wound Damage: 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11
Health Damage Average: 906. 67
Wound Damage Average: 11
Broadswords
Health Damage: 1208, 1208, 1208, 959, 1208, 1208
Wound Damage: 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14
Health Damage Average: 1166.5
Wound Damage Average: 14
Comparison
Claymore Overall Damage Stat: 356
Broadswords Overall Damage Stat: 340
Claymore Overall Precision Stat: 305
Broadswords Overall Precision Stat: 344
Claymore Average Health Damage: 906.67
Broadswords Average Health Damage: 1166.5
Onehanded Health Damage Advantage: 28.66%
Claymore Average Wound Damage: 11
Broadswords Average Wound Damage: 14
Onehanded Wound Damage Advantage: 27.27%
Attacker - Me
Relevant Skills:
Transcendent Pureblade
No Blademaster
Stats:
Strength - 20
Dexterity - 12
Weapons:
Claymore - Damage: 356 Precision: 305 Speed: 157
Broadsword 1 - Damage: 170 Precision: 172 Speed: 151
Broadsword 2 - Damage: 170 Precision: 172 Speed: 151
Test Dummy - Rakor
Relevant Skills:
Inept Resilience
Armor:
Field Plate - Cutting Defense: 74 Blunt Defense: 82
Great Helm - Cutting Defense: 87 Blunt Defense: 82
Testing
Claymore
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "5230 to 4179 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 4345 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 3912 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4826 to 3775 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "Ready."
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 3912 damage."
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "Ready."
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a dragon-hilted claymore. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "11 wounds, 4963 to 4345 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Broadswords
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, and from 4219 3011 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds and from 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent,then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
4Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 4004 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Focusing on his head, you strike at Rakor with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You poke him in the chin for a small puncture.
Myrmidon Rakor says, "14 wounds, 4963 to 3755 damage."
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Rakor takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
Rakor chants softly to himself, and his body momentarily becomes transparent, then solidifies and rebuilds itself.
Results
Claymore
Health Damage: 1051, 618, 1051, 1051, 1051, 618
Wound Damage: 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11
Health Damage Average: 906. 67
Wound Damage Average: 11
Broadswords
Health Damage: 1208, 1208, 1208, 959, 1208, 1208
Wound Damage: 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14
Health Damage Average: 1166.5
Wound Damage Average: 14
Comparison
Claymore Overall Damage Stat: 356
Broadswords Overall Damage Stat: 340
Claymore Overall Precision Stat: 305
Broadswords Overall Precision Stat: 344
Claymore Average Health Damage: 906.67
Broadswords Average Health Damage: 1166.5
Onehanded Health Damage Advantage: 28.66%
Claymore Average Wound Damage: 11
Broadswords Average Wound Damage: 14
Onehanded Wound Damage Advantage: 27.27%
Unknown2005-07-23 00:04:11
I was talking with Thorgal about the damage reducement cap, but I thought it'd not be possible to screw up in reality in the game, but maybe I was wrong - while the wounding seems correct, being some 50 above the claymore, that's really odd it's more in damage than the claymore. Didn't Roark state somewhere that only 50% damage could be reduced, perhaps this formulas been violated somehow with two handed weapons in some way?
Navaryn2005-07-23 05:39:05
QUOTE
Stun would turn you into the Sentinels of this game
Actually, Daevos is suggesting for a CHANCE to stun, not guaranteed stun. Kinda like Troll Monks, I guess.
Thorgal2005-07-23 14:40:24
QUOTE
Cleave has been adjusted to take more balance time than a swing or jab,
but less time than doing a raze and a swing or jab sepereately. It's
damage will also be on par with a normal attack.
but less time than doing a raze and a swing or jab sepereately. It's
damage will also be on par with a normal attack.
Roark.
That's one major pureblade issue solved already!
Unknown2005-07-23 16:35:51
*chuckle* I think Roark's just made himself some happy people