What does everyone think of these two guilds? I'm asking from both a combat perspective, and an RP perspective. How active are the two guilds, and what impressions do people get of the two guilds, and if anyone is a member of either, any general info you can provide that might sway my decision is greatly appreciated!

I am just frankly alittle worried that Celestines seem alittle narrow in pvp. Not that I am experienced, or would know in any way, but as I understand, inquisition seems to be their only real strategy to work for, while Nihilists have many options to finish someone off

Absolve? Soulless? Those are both much used celestine ways to kill.

Celestines are one of the better PVP classes. RP I don't know about the Celestines, but the Nihilists are doing much better on that front than they used to be.

I haven't yet seen any strong roleplay from either guild, but as far as PvP goes, they're pretty similar except that Celestines have stronger instakills, and Nihilists can afflict better

Dude the Nihilist are embracing there religion and have meetings and establishing a church if thats not rp then umm what is????

Nihilists are doing alot as far as RP goes., I won't get into it though. As far as pvp goes I guess Celestine has the advantage, but I can't really say this without bias seeing as how I haven't been a Celestine.

Combat wise as a celestine we have a couple ways of winning do to judgement, soulless, absolve (which is the easiest way to kill someone in my opinion). Also with heretic and so forth it does added affliction before your able to get inquisition off. I think we are better of then Nihilist but since i havent sparred a nihilist in awhile i cant say much.

You don't need to be so defensive, I just said I haven't seen it

I've been both nihilist champion and a celestine fighter, celestine combat is more powerful in duels, but a lot more boring as well. Nihilists have a major advantage over celestines in skirmishes, influences and team battles, dueling as a nihilists is a lot more interesting, complicated and satisfying, just harder.

Unlike celestines, nihilists also have an unstoppable force skill, makes things interesting, as a celestine you don't have many tactics at your disposal, but the ones you have are effective and easy to use.

Isn't dominate blocked by deafness?

Not anymore, I believe.

No one uses deafness anyways since sixth sense stinks.

sixth sense has been made useless

Hrm.. I haven't been a Nihilist, but I pretty much agree with most of what Thorgal says.. I've been Celestine champ.. though more for RP reasons than because I love fighting. RP-wise, I'm worried about the Celestines... think they need some real revitalization.. If what these others guys say is true, maybe the Nihilists are more hard at work en masse about establishing that.. though anyone could do it.. just need people to care to...

Celestines in theory can rock in combat, but ya, moreso in one-on-one. There's been few examples though of highly effective ones. I'm fairly confident that my guild skills alone could let me beat almost anyone except for "real" fighters. (The people who actually regularly practice and are just down with it enough that they always know what to do and adapt their strategies.)

I think both guilds have a lot of potential.. hope more is made of it. Would be cool to see both groups become more influential in politics by more firmly establishing thier respective "religions".