So anyway, I was playing around with Sierus, and got my flails up to 195 damage.
Playing the usual, my flail is bigger than your flail game, I wanted to play around and see if it was even possible for me to kill sierus as a tae'dae.

Granted, I was on java and didn't have all the nice combos ... but I had 19 str, 15 dex. my flails were 195/152/160 each.

Instead of posting the whole thing I'll just post a link to it...

http://www.daganev.com/Watch%20me%20die.html

Based on my amature assumption, it appears to me that if I was a blademaster and used rend, this would not be a problem. So I think Bonecrushers need a small little something to not make a situation like this possible.

Guido had a good suggestion of not being able to parry when you have broken arms so that he can't deflect the bashbrain. (which can't be done with crush)

Personally, I'd like a rend equivilant, but not sure what makes the most sense because bonecrushers shouldn't be doing bleeding.

If you want to give Bonecrushers something like rend, then you should give Blademasters something like knockdown and wind then to hinder our opponents easier. Considering your knockdown is a moderate wound that allows you to bypass your target's stance and parry as long as they're down (not to mention uncureable), whereas a Blademaster's only method of bypassing stance/parry are by severe nerve and legtendon, which are both at critical wounds and can be instantly cured.

Give us something like knockdown and wind then, then I can be a Bladecrusher, or possibly Bonemaster, or something.

You do have something like knockdown... you just mentioned them... not to forget pinleg. You currently have skills like knockdown that stop the enemy from being able to do what they wanted to.

What I ment by something like rend, is an attack that you can stack and does more damage the longer they have it uncured.

Added to that... People with broken arms should not be able to parry... If you can't swing your weapon to attack, why can you bring your weapon to defend?

Daganev wildly swings Klangar's Fury at you. You are dealt only a glancing blow to the side of your head from the pounding swing.
7490h, 1850m, 5188e, 10p elrxk-sip health
Daganev wildly swings Urlach's Heart at you. Your right arm is pounded and slightly bruised.

I'm miffed that you have a weapon called urlach's heart, he is MY vernal god in my weapons you silly bear (snarl)

Ok for a serious post now.

Sierus could've EASILY been killed there, he was prone with broken legs and not healing them.........as a tae'dae yeh its a bit tougher, but let me at him in a spar or duel, and I'll show you just how killable he is

I picked Urlach and Kargnal based on the name of hte months for late Winter (ice elemental rune) and early Autumn (Lightning elemental).. and after looking them up in the histories I found that they formed up as a pair...

Would have prefered mid winter and late summer, but Estar and Tzarin don't pair up very well.

Besides, I still have Ur'guard roots you know

Prone with broken legs still lets him parry his head.. and its head I need to hit to be able to do the brainbash.

Yes, with Sacrifice you can kill him... but thats a seperat instantkill that niether Serenguard or Ebonguard have.

You are giving Rend more credits than it deserves. If you looked at my latest spar against Revan, I pinleg/rend him at least 10 times in a row and it did nothing to him. I really see no rationale for Bonecrushers to get something like this, Bonecrushers and Blademasters are supposed to be unique. Blademasters concentrate on bleeding and accuracy (namely with most of our afflictions coming off strikes), and Bonecrushers deal with salve stacking afflictions, and powerful swings (with most of your afflictions coming off swings).

How can you be confident that if you had something like Rend you could have killed Sierus anyway? What would stop him from parrying your pinleg just like he parried your swings?

don't make me slap you foo'

if they are prone, they cannot parry NOR stance their head, I assure you that.

And I've said before pre-breaking their legs and arms doesn't help you get a sacrifice one little bit, since they can writhe regardless of what affliction state they are in.

It was not a real fight in any fashion... however.. if I have some sort of attack that is stacking damage the more its not cured, then he would need to try to parry that attack. If he is parrying his legs, then he is not fully parrying his head, and brainbash becomes possible again.

What I was looking at was that with 195 damage flails, and 19 strength not enough damage was being done to him to make it possible to kill him without the instantkill. Enough stacking damage eventually becomes an instantkill itself.

BAH

you can't parry or stance while prone

THEREFORE f you break 1 or 2 legs, and they can't stand up (like in the log) you go nutso on their head till you get a few concussions in a row, then you smite down for the bashbrain

That is because Sierus is a freaking Tae'dae with level 3 blunt protection, level 3 cold protection, sips for close to 1500 per sip, and have level 3 regeneration, and in 109 blunt protection fullplate, not to mention his misc. artifacts. You're trying to make Bonecrushers look horrible at killing people by picking one of the tankiest person around to test damage with...yeah, that's just plain silly.

I can assure you that against any softer target you would easily overcome him with just raw damage. Why don't you try testing damage against someone without all those damage reduction buffs and see?

Terenas is correct

Even though you could've killed him with wounds alone there, espeically if you can get his head to around 30 without using crushes (if you are skilled enough you can) then push it far below 0 with 6 crushes in a row, knockdown smitedown or mangle both legs then smite down to your hearts content.

He sips for 2K health... whats your point... he's not an immortal.

I'm not saying that bonecrushers suck.. I've killed plenty people, some in even one combo..

However, I would think that it should not be possible to for a mortal, no matter how many artifacts they buy or which combo of skills they choose, to be able to survive an onslaught without even trying to heal properly.

Thats all...

I know you can't stance while prone, but are you sure you can't parry? YOu can parry even if all your limbs are mangled...

I promise you daganev, you CANNOT parry OR stance while prone.

now don't make me come over there and cut off your hands.

Annnnd i could probably kill sierus with damage too, the idea is they have to choose between healing wounds and health, so he chose health opening himself up to a host of bad afflictions including instakills

ahh worries releived... Parrying with mangled arms needs to be fixed though.

agree there, i'll add it into my next envoy

8201h, 1872m, 5188e, 10p elrxk-
Daganev wildly swings Klangar's Fury at you. You are dealt only a glancing blow to the side of your head from the pounding swing.
7490h, 1850m, 5188e, 10p elrxk-

You're complaining?

Did you just realize that? He was complaining he wasn't doing enough damage, poor poor Daganev and his artifact weapons that would probably kill anyone with 4k health in 3 hits.

Was I complaining? Someone show me where I was complaining...

I was comparing pratically max damage to max defense, and noticing that even after I broke his arms to bits he would be able to parry head.

I erroneously concluded that if he can parry with broken arms, then he can always parry, thus giving bonecrushers a weakness compared to blademasters.

Did I say I can't do enough damage? or that Tae'dae are too buff? No, I said its possible, that if someone can withstand lots of damage they would be able to basically ignore a bonecrusher. (where as if you ignore rend, eventually the bleeding stacks so high that you will die)