Sorry Raf, but all I'm hearing is that since you have Puer, you just won't want it to be downgraded. Have you ever bothered to look at it from the Serenguard or Ebonguard's point of view? You know who don't have puer, who also rely heavily on wounding as their offense, but are seriously impeded by the rediculous curing abilities of Puer?

Being able to actively heal wounding is already nice, but it shouldn't be so freaking rediculous as to be able to heal twice as much as a health application in half the time. If I was fighting a Ritualist and we were both forced to heal wounding, all I could do is apply health once every 4.5 seconds. However, the Ritualist can apply health once and chant puer twice in that same amount of time. You just cured 5 times as much wounding as me. Do you honestly think that is fair in any aspect? Should a novice ability such as Puer be able to affect warrior combat so much? Hell, should you be able to waste all the times I've been hitting you to reduce your wound down only to be cured in less than 5 seconds?

And what I'm hearing from you Terenas is that you don't have it, so why should anyone else have this superior curing ability? ;) Perhaps as much as a health application in curing, but not in the same amount of time, or it just makes it useless. And for the note, you kill alot of people who have puer, and so do I, so it can't be too overpowered then? :P

Umm... how is that you could apply health twice every 4.5 seconds while Ritualist could only do that once?

Um, actually. A lot of people with puer have agreed that it is way too good right now. Daevos, Murphy, and Kharvik are whom I have talked to that consider it heals perhaps way too much. This doesn't include the fact that you can still chant puer while you are proned. I've asked for my own skills to be downgraded if I saw them as being too powerful.

Kashim-

Oops, I meant twice as in the initial applying, then again after 4.5 seconds. So it would go apply health, 4.5 seconds, apply health. If you consider health application to heal around 20 on average, and Puer to heal around 40 on average. Then-

Ritualist would go apply health/chant puer, 2 seconds later, puer again, 4.5 second, apply health again, and chant puer once more. If that was the case then I just cured around 40 wounding, while a Ritualists just cured 150 wounding

I don't think it should be able to be done webbed, prone, impaled or what haev you if you're hindered, I'll agree to that, but all your sources have putrefaction to lower the damage they take. As I said, Terenas, I take actual DAMAGE from -regular masterworks- and I'm suppose to just.. somehow magically tank 1400+ a round and heal deepwounds with a health application? I dont have drawdown or putre to aide me, and numen is not reliable enough on its short time of existance and cost of 4p.

Further, your sources all have good % might's, so their trans skills obviously go past guild skills, unlike mine (unless you want to count my trade skill), are you sure they're even comparing these things when they didn't have things like resilience or combat to help them out? I know it's tough out there for those without trans combat who're not Knights to tank off wounding, they die quick and easily, and you have still yet to give me any valid reason that puer itself is overpowered, besides being able to do prone and whatnot, when you and so many others so easily kill those with puer.

Sorry, little misunderstanding.

I remember when Puella was downgraded. Initially, it could've been chanted under almost any conditions, like prone, and it was very fast. It was changed so now it doesn't work prone and has significantly longer recovery time, pretty much like most of other skills.
The same change could and possibly should be made to Puer now.

I'm really unsure about reducing it healing capacity though, even with lower mana cost. Honestly, I'm just afraid it will become useless. It's active skill so if it's too weak, it might just end up not being used at all.

EDIT: Does putrefaction reduce deepwounds you receive?

No, Kashim, putre does not.

I agree with subjecting it to the same changes as Puella did.

However, I disagree with the second. You are still actively able to heal your wounds. There are many times when I wished I could do the same but is unable to. In its current stage of doubling the healing ability of a health vial, it is too absurdly unbalancing for warriors.

I think you're overestimating putrefaction then, Rafael. It hits quite hard and fast. It's probably worth using against skilled heavy hitters, but it's not that great at all.

If I parry or avoid some of your strikes with stances, damage difference won't be that big in the long run, and it might even be to my disadvantage. Also, if you have elemental runes, some part of your damage won't be blocked by it at all.

I doubt I'm overestimating it all. I take 1400 or so damage off some peoples blades, whereas someone with putre will take around 800. Nay!

Speaking here as an active Ebonguard with an inactive Celestine.

Soft targets don't apply health to stop wounding. Sorry. It's the equivalent of heartstopping in the middle of a fight. If anything, exchange puer with cloak or timeslip in cosmic. I can understand how it would be annoying to have knights using puer, but a guardian with puer is no threat. All it needs is to be adjusted to not work when prone.

combat is meant to be balances at omnitrans, don't like it? get some more skills and a can!

At the same time, they get hit with putrefaction. Just for that 600 health provided they have 6k health, which is totally not uncommon. If they parried or dodged one of your swings, they lose more than they would without it.

Umm, I think it was tritrans. At least a lot of people were sayin so.



High mana cost might be some sort of hypothetical solution to that. Warriors usually have quite little mana, especially surged. I believe warriors usually surge when fighting against other warriors, which means they're gonna need to heal deepwounds. But with 1500-2000 mana, they can do that 3-4 times, no more. That might actually be enough, though...

Its supposed to be balanced along the board honestly, tri-trans people should be able to fight each other equally, omnitrans should be able to do the same. Just because you are a useless creditwhore with too much cash and time on your hands to spend your money on REAL things, don't blame us for actually having a life.

As it is though, Puer is possibly too powerful, but I would never know because the only times I ever need to use it are against omnitrans creditwhores with lightning runes, and no that is not with putrefaction up (most of the time).

I sparred Kharvik once and he was still a BM at the time but he was using two broadswords and I was using my two rapiers. Even lunging everytime I had a chance and not really getting parried at all he was handling my wounds like I wasnt even there with puer, I couldnt even land hardly a single impale on his legs or gut or anything even resembling a heartpierce or something.

I think that's your own lack of ability.

No dude, puer is too powerful, plain and simple. It is NOT possible getting a ritualist using puer low on wounds. It's way too fast and heals way too much.

One moment you're slicing someone's tendon repeatedly and 3 seconds later you're severing arteries again.

Unless he's focusing everything on healing with puer, then it's possible.

Focused everything on healing with puer? There isn't anything to focus, it only takes a few mere seconds to heal your limbs to full again from deep into critical.