Shiri2005-07-29 06:19:46
Well, I guess it was kinda OOC to do this, but after Narsrim demonstrated his 137 damage moonbursts on me from 20 INT, Alger wanted to check how much damage their guards did to me. (He said that Lisaera had said all guardian guards do magic damage.) So Ixion unenemied me for a few seconds so the statue wouldn't hit me while we checked.
You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at a plague lord.
You connect!
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A greater elemental of earth springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
3380h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-dv
A plague lord raises his fist and chants in a guttural tongue as lashes of black fire stream across your body and you cry out in pain.
A heavy stone hand seems to slowly rise from the very ground before it quickly squeezes you in its deadly grip.
1728h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You feel the comforting presence of the mother briefly touch you.
2109h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the rift to 809.
2109h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
1018h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
1356h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
You have been slain by a plague lord.
0h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
No, these guards were not empowered or anything, Alger just checked.
Not sure what sort of conclusions to draw from that but I can assure you that that is NOT magic damage.
EDIT: Also, my mother hurt me, wtf.
EDIT: No she didn't. Why did I think she did?
You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at a plague lord.
You connect!
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A greater elemental of earth springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
A plague lord springs to a plague lord's defence.
3380h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-dv
A plague lord raises his fist and chants in a guttural tongue as lashes of black fire stream across your body and you cry out in pain.
A heavy stone hand seems to slowly rise from the very ground before it quickly squeezes you in its deadly grip.
1728h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You feel the comforting presence of the mother briefly touch you.
2109h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the rift to 809.
2109h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
1018h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
1356h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your chest where it melts away.
You have been slain by a plague lord.
0h, 3842m, 3842e, 9p, 15785en, 18110 ek-
No, these guards were not empowered or anything, Alger just checked.
Not sure what sort of conclusions to draw from that but I can assure you that that is NOT magic damage.
EDIT: Also, my mother hurt me, wtf.
EDIT: No she didn't. Why did I think she did?
Ceres2005-07-29 08:27:31
Nice. Real nice.
Shiri2005-07-29 08:30:25
Yeah, it was only after I did it that I figured I should've asked Alger to move 9 of the guards away. 
The point is more that that one last plague dude managed to pull 1.4k on me with full defs up and maidenblessings, though. Something funny's going on there.
The point is more that that one last plague dude managed to pull 1.4k on me with full defs up and maidenblessings, though. Something funny's going on there.Ceres2005-07-29 08:35:17
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jan 30 2005, 12:04 PM)
3061h, 2660m, 2306e, 10p exkdb-
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the
ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your
chest where it melts away.
A plague lord raises his fist and chants in a guttural tongue as lashes of
black fire stream across your body and you cry out in pain.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the
ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your
chest where it melts away.
A banshee mutters and pokes her index finger towards Yrael and makes a hooking
gesture. Invisible energies slam against Yrael, ripping apart his magical
shield of protection.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
A dark miasmic taint engulfs a plague revenant, and he plunges his hand into
your chest. You are drawn forward and surrounded by a swarm of shadowy snakes
that begin to consume you.
860h, 2660m, 2306e, 10p exkdb-
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the
ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your
chest where it melts away.
A plague lord raises his fist and chants in a guttural tongue as lashes of
black fire stream across your body and you cry out in pain.
Calling forth to the bowels of the earth, a plague lord leans over towards the
ground and draws out a sickeningly black blade. Quickly he shoves it into your
chest where it melts away.
A banshee mutters and pokes her index finger towards Yrael and makes a hooking
gesture. Invisible energies slam against Yrael, ripping apart his magical
shield of protection.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
A plague revenant raises a palm which glows with a sickly green light. The
light turns into a sluggish current of energy that slams into you, decaying
your flesh.
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
Wicked steel implements suddenly appear in a plague revenant's claws as he
jumps on you and begins to carve deeply and slowly into your flesh. You scream
and convulse in abject agony during this obscene torture.
A dark miasmic taint engulfs a plague revenant, and he plunges his hand into
your chest. You are drawn forward and surrounded by a swarm of shadowy snakes
that begin to consume you.
860h, 2660m, 2306e, 10p exkdb-
39084
That's without drawdown.
Shiri2005-07-29 08:41:49
What race was that, dwarf? 
Ceres2005-07-29 08:43:50
-nod-
Shiri2005-07-29 08:55:13
Well...either way, something seems a little odd. Has anyone checked if everyone else's guards are super now?
Lisaera2005-07-29 09:53:45
Forgive me for the abrupt tone but I am rather sick of people either misquoting me or just blatantly making stuff up.
GUARDS DO NOT DO MAGIC DAMAGE.
GUARDS ALL DO NEUTRAL DAMAGE THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY RACIAL BENEFITS OR WEAKNESSES.
Edit: Being the lovely person that I am, I just looked at plague lord guards and it turns out one of their attacks was invisible for some unknown reason, I have fixed this. You were probably getting hit a lot and not knowing it due to this.
GUARDS DO NOT DO MAGIC DAMAGE.
GUARDS ALL DO NEUTRAL DAMAGE THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY RACIAL BENEFITS OR WEAKNESSES.
Edit: Being the lovely person that I am, I just looked at plague lord guards and it turns out one of their attacks was invisible for some unknown reason, I have fixed this. You were probably getting hit a lot and not knowing it due to this.
Daevos2005-07-29 10:15:38
Also Tuek's log can not be used really as a comparison. Unless you are comparing guard damage before the update against their current strength. Also I remember him admitting that he was a dwarf during that.
Shiri2005-07-29 10:19:19
Well, apparently guards do neutral damage anyway. So being a dwarf wouldn't matter. Anyway, the invisible attack explains it, I just wondered why I was getting 1.4k hits from a basic guard. (I'm surprised I can't tank 10 for the time it takes me to get balance back though, as I've seen people tank much more than that. But then again I can't remember when the guard upgrade was.)
Unknown2005-07-29 15:06:22
Hmmmm... guards doing neutral damage? Doesn't seem to fit. It would be more interesting if it was effected by resistances and had either a magic, blunt, or cutting designation.
Unknown2007-05-28 09:57:13
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jul 29 2005, 03:06 PM) 158223
Hmmmm... guards doing neutral damage? Doesn't seem to fit. It would be more interesting if it was effected by resistances and had either a magic, blunt, or cutting designation.
Neutral damage = unblockable. Or that's what Lis made it sound like. I'd say that's a fairly neutral guess though.
PS: Evil necro since Nejii linked it in another thread.
Unknown2007-05-28 09:57:57
WTF, that was me. Since when can you post while not logged in...
And since I can't edit the other post: I don't think they should do cutting/blunt.. they do so little already as it is. I ran through 30 Glom guards as mugwump and lived.
And since I can't edit the other post: I don't think they should do cutting/blunt.. they do so little already as it is. I ran through 30 Glom guards as mugwump and lived.
Ashteru2007-05-28 10:00:06
I just want to get a single frosthag to teeest.
'cause Centaur guards do like, no damage to me, while frosthags have a few attacks that actually do a bit of damage.
'cause Centaur guards do like, no damage to me, while frosthags have a few attacks that actually do a bit of damage.
Unknown2007-05-28 10:04:32
QUOTE(shadow @ May 27 2007, 11:57 PM) 412458
WTF, that was me. Since when can you post while not logged in...
And since I can't edit the other post: I don't think they should do cutting/blunt.. they do so little already as it is. I ran through 30 Glom guards as mugwump and lived.
And since I can't edit the other post: I don't think they should do cutting/blunt.. they do so little already as it is. I ran through 30 Glom guards as mugwump and lived.
Umm... this thread is from 2005. Of course it's not relevant!
Ashteru2007-05-28 10:10:27
Well, I absorbed all attacks completely from them.
8864h, 3534m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20197w elrxk /12:07:25.791/<>-
A frost hag glows brightly as she whips around, causing winds crackling with
magic to slam into you.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
8864h, 3534m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20197w elrxk /12:07:26.416/<>-
8974h, 3552m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20196w elrxk /12:06:53.776/<>-
A frost hag stares at you, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at you.
The soundwaves pierce into your very being, weakening you in body.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
8974h, 3552m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20196w elrxk /12:06:54.182/<>-
And Tuek is like the phantom of the forum.
Boooooring. Make them damagetypes, that would prolly make guardbashing harder!
8864h, 3534m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20197w elrxk /12:07:25.791/<>-
A frost hag glows brightly as she whips around, causing winds crackling with
magic to slam into you.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
8864h, 3534m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20197w elrxk /12:07:26.416/<>-
8974h, 3552m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20196w elrxk /12:06:53.776/<>-
A frost hag stares at you, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at you.
The soundwaves pierce into your very being, weakening you in body.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
8974h, 3552m, 6606e, 10p, 32080en, 20196w elrxk /12:06:54.182/<>-
And Tuek is like the phantom of the forum.
Boooooring. Make them damagetypes, that would prolly make guardbashing harder!
Unknown2007-05-28 10:15:55
Once one person can solo 20 or more guards, honestly where's the point.
Unknown2007-05-28 10:21:20
QUOTE(shadow @ May 28 2007, 12:15 AM) 412463
Once one person can solo 20 or more guards, honestly where's the point.
That's not the guards fault. It was the introduction of Titans and Demigods that is at fault. That was stupid. It lacked foresight.
Imperian got it right with its Aspects for reaching level 100. For a great many different reasons. Most abilities gained by Aspects are either RP related and/or utility that is not directly related to combat.
Unknown2007-05-28 10:34:19
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 28 2007, 12:21 PM) 412464
That's not the guards fault. It was the introduction of Titans and Demigods that is at fault. That was stupid. It lacked foresight.
Imperian got it right with its Aspects for reaching level 100. For a great many different reasons. Most abilities gained by Aspects are either RP related and/or utility that is not directly related to combat.
Imperian got it right with its Aspects for reaching level 100. For a great many different reasons. Most abilities gained by Aspects are either RP related and/or utility that is not directly related to combat.
Well the only thing titans/demigods have left is the stat increase. You could say that to balance that we don't have stat modifying artifacts.
Couldn't it be changed though that guards -always- do a minimum damage? High stats or no, some people are -always- going to be more resilient than others because of a variety of different skills and racial boni (numen, numb, putrefaction etc)
PS: Thoros isn't a titan/demigod and solos 20 guards. I don't think level 99 and 100 are the (major) problem here.
Ashteru2007-05-28 10:37:53
Note, I did my log with Estelbar guards before I hit Titan. 
So yeah, not much changed.
So yeah, not much changed.