TSG 7

by Tsuki

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Unknown2005-08-04 03:06:28
Better yet - message me, and I can tell you who to favor - I'll protect the same person, so we're guaranteed to get 4 votes to their 3, even if they successfully kill one of us.
Xenthos2005-08-04 05:17:21
Heh, you seem quite worked up about finding out who Yudhe is... and during the night, too. Is there a reason you couldn't do this during the day? Oh, right, don't want to worry about us pesky elders getting in the way of your plans.

Sorry, I'll go back to sleep now.
Unknown2005-08-04 15:06:38
I'm an insomniac. Can I scry Bobstar, to prove he's Soulless?
Tsuki2005-08-05 19:37:35
Sorry for the delay, things came up. wacko.gif


Night 3 is over.

requiem dot exe was killed by the Soulless.

Day 3

Everyone, voice suspicions and/or votes.
Unknown2005-08-05 19:40:40
I'm still allowed to talk, right? I seem to recall Tsuki mentioning this at some point.

Edit: Ok, I went back to the 4th page and found what I was looking for. I just don't get to vote any more.

I just want to point out to any skeptics that are left that this fairly obviously points towards YoLF and Xenthos.
Tsuki2005-08-05 19:49:20
QUOTE(Tsuki @ Aug 3 2005, 10:52 PM)
On a general note, Tsuki is not playing, she is moderating. Pay no attention to the Elfen behind the curtain. The dead may speak, but may not vote ... and if you don't know the role of the dead compared to your own, I'd recommend careful consideration before trusting them. The entire team wins, regardless of individual life/death. Anyone, alive or dead, may lie.
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I'll assume you meant that part ... quoted here for convenience. happy.gif
Xenthos2005-08-05 20:17:22
QUOTE(requiem dot exe @ Aug 5 2005, 03:40 PM)
I'm still allowed to talk, right? I seem to recall Tsuki mentioning this at some point.

Edit: Ok, I went back to the 4th page and found what I was looking for. I just don't get to vote any more.

I just want to point out to any skeptics that are left that this fairly obviously points towards YoLF and Xenthos.
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I'd just like to point out that this is really interesting... very first thing that is said is by a ghost using his own death to point fingers.

Darned good way to win, though. Once odds are on your side, you start begging for the Yudhe to PM you, kill off one of your own so you can easily take out the two of us. By the time Faithless and I are dead, you've taken out two more over night... which gives you four out of six dead. You win unless the one remaining is Yudhe, which you've already taken steps to prevent.

Well played.

Edit: Obviously, I am going to vote for Bobstar, but doubt it'll succeed. Ah well.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:20:59
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 5 2005, 03:17 PM)
I'd just like to point out that this is really interesting... very first thing that is said is by a ghost using his own death to point fingers.

Darned good way to win, though.  Once odds are on your side, you start begging for the Yudhe to PM you, kill off one of your own so you can easily take out the  two of us.  By the time Faithless and I are dead, you've taken out two more over night... which gives you four out of six dead.  You win unless the one remaining is Yudhe, which you've already taken steps to prevent.

Well played.

Edit: Obviously, I am going to vote for Bobstar, but doubt it'll succeed.  Ah well.
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Agreed. Ever heard of framing someone? Wonderful tool.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:21:30
Agreed. My vote for Bobstar the Soulless, as well.
Marcalo2005-08-05 20:27:19
i'm kinda confused so i will abstaine from voting since i don't really know whats going on.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:32:55
Voting for YoLF. Cwin - you have Yudhe's favor and had my protection last night. We need you to vote for YoLF also.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:35:13
QUOTE(marcalo @ Aug 5 2005, 03:27 PM)
i'm kinda confused so i will abstaine from voting since i don't really know whats going on.
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Bobstar, as a Soulless, is doing a very good job of fooling people, it seems. If Yudhe's really working for him, that is - he's done a poor job of copy/paste, edited what Tsuki said, and says Xenthos and I are Soulless, and that Quidgyboo is Luciphage.

It would be best if you did vote, against Bobstar. I'm guessing we killed the other Soulless, or it's Cwin - which I hope not.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:41:46
Nice try. No dice, Soulless.


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requiem dot exe Re:Hrm, Aug 3 2005, 10:15 PM  


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Should I protect you, me, Cwin, or marcalo? And they might try killing Quidgyboo just to prove me wrong.


It's like the third round of paper, scissors, rock. In every game before this, upon revealing himself, the Seer role would ask for protection from the Guardian and thus gaurantee that a Soulless hit would be ineffectual. This resulted in the fact that no one ever tried to kill the Seer the first night. In this case they will probably wait until the third day from now (since you can only defend yourself twice). Also, if they kill you, it will almost certainly mean they die the next to days.

Since you're really the only special role we have, besides the Yudhe (which I'm not) then the others are equally at risk.

Between myself and Cwin/Marcalo, I am far more high profile right now, and YoLF has tried to kill me twice thus far. On the other hand, if I were to be killed off this would throw suspicion even more towards YoLF and the Elders will win once he dies. In all probability they will target either Marcalo or Cwin in the hopes of removing Yudhe and allowing them to hang the vote tomorrow and win the next night.

I strongly suspect Quidgyboo as the Luciphage. It might be easiest just to ask Cwin and Marcalo which of them is the Yudhe and protect that person. You already have their trust to the extent that they will vote with you, so you're more likely to be able to get them to reveal their roles.

All of that being said, my recommendation would be to protect the Yudhe. I really don't want to die, but it doesn't matter in the long run since I'm not Yudhe and I'll win anyway. So I say protect either Cwin or Marcalo, and the Yudhe if you can get a confession. And I guess just scry them to make sure they're who they say they are.

Just my $2.56 (inflation)
Good luck.
Unknown2005-08-05 20:44:59
QUOTE(BobStar @ Aug 5 2005, 03:41 PM)
Nice try. No dice, Soulless.
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I'm still trying to decide what all that garble is - it looks like, from the plotting about Reqiuem (I'm assuming that's who sent it) I was indeed set up. Most amusing
Unknown2005-08-05 21:16:35
Here is my analysis of how the game will play from here, depending on Marcalo's decision today.

I was the best person to be killed, second best only to having no one die, beause 1) I am not Yudhe, and 2) I am not the favouree of Yudhe. This leaves the body count 3 v. 3 of BobStar and co. and YoLF and co., but the vote count is 4 v. 3, if we assume Marcalo votes with BobStar.

Today either YoLF or Xenthos will die, which leaves 1 Soulless and a 2 person voting coalition for the Soulless team. The following night someone will die, but it doesn't matter as long as the Yudhe survives because the vote count will still be 3 v. 2, which will allow BobStar's group to finish off the remaining Soulless and the Elder's win. Yay.

This course also assumes that both the Yudhe and the Yudhe's chosen survive the night. If not then the Soulless coalition will hang the vote tomorrow 2 to 2 until they successfully manage to kill an Elder thus ending the game in favour of the Soulless.

The other assumption made was that Marcalo would vote for YoLF. If he choses otherwise and manages to remove BobStar, then the Soulless win out of hand because the number of Elders drops to the number of Soulless (2 Elders v. 2 Soulless and 1 Luciphage who doesn't factor into this).






This means the Soulless have two points at which they can guarantee a win, whereas the Elders can win only make thwarting them both times.

Marcalo, no pressure or anything but you have to make the correct decision today. I'd recommend voting for YoLF, but the analysis should be fairly accurate even if the sides are switched. Today is one of the turning points where the game can go either way.

Of course, that assumes that if the Yudhe dies, the Yudhe's favour doesn't go into effect the next day. If I am mistaken about that then this should be an easy win for the Elders if the kill the right person today.
Unknown2005-08-05 22:45:53
QUOTE(requiem dot exe @ Aug 5 2005, 04:16 PM)
Here is my analysis of how the game will play from here, depending on Marcalo's decision today.

I was the best person to be killed, second best only to having no one die, beause 1) I am not Yudhe, and 2) I am not the favouree of Yudhe. This leaves the body count 3 v. 3 of BobStar and co. and YoLF and co., but the vote count is 4 v. 3, if we assume Marcalo votes with BobStar.

Today either YoLF or Xenthos will die, which leaves 1 Soulless and a 2 person voting coalition for the Soulless team. The following night someone will die, but it doesn't matter as long as the Yudhe survives because the vote count will still be 3 v. 2, which will allow BobStar's group to finish off the remaining Soulless and the Elder's win. Yay.

This course also assumes that both the Yudhe and the Yudhe's chosen survive the night. If not then the Soulless coalition will hang the vote tomorrow 2 to 2 until they successfully manage to kill an Elder thus ending the game in favour of the Soulless.

The other assumption made was that Marcalo would vote for YoLF. If he choses otherwise and manages to remove BobStar, then the Soulless win out of hand because the number of Elders drops to the number of Soulless (2 Elders v. 2 Soulless and 1 Luciphage who doesn't factor into this).
This means the Soulless have two points at which they can guarantee a win, whereas the Elders can win only make thwarting them both times.

Marcalo, no pressure or anything but you have to make the correct decision today. I'd recommend voting for YoLF, but the analysis should be fairly accurate even if the sides are switched. Today is one of the turning points where the game can go either way.

Of course, that assumes that if the Yudhe dies, the Yudhe's favour doesn't go into effect the next day. If I am mistaken about that then this should be an easy win for the Elders if the kill the right person today.
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All of this is still based upon the fact that Bobstar isn't lieing to us - which, indeed, he is. At least about me. I can't say the same for Xenthos, but I don't know why Bobstar would sell out one of his own. This leaves me to believe that the other Soulless is either dead, or Cwin - and, unless Bobstar is making a show out of it, I'm doubting it's Cwin. Meaning the other Soulless is dead. So. Killing Bobstar would end the game here and now - in victory for us elders. Perhaps Requiem was luciphage - I don't know, all I know is he's dead, and they're trying to pin it on me.

Vote for Bobstar. We can end this game with a good victory, for us Elders.
Tsuki2005-08-05 23:44:19
QUOTE(Tsuki @ Jul 30 2005, 11:31 AM)
Yudhe : When/if the one infused with the spirit of Yudhe turns their attention to someone else during the night, the following day that person will be more persuasive in conveying their decisions. If the player who is Yudhe dies, the spirit retreats. (Yudhe, choose someone other than yourself to focus on during the night. The following day, their vote will count double, but such will remain secret until the results are tallied at the end of the day.)
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Since it appears this needed further clarification, I'll attempt to do so.

As in past games, the Soulless' attempted kill is the last thing that happens during a night. That means:
- If a seer-type role scrys someone and is also targetted for death, they receive the results of their scrying before being killed.
- If a guardian-type protects someone and they are targetted for death, the other person was protected (which, granted, doesn't mean too much unless you're in a game allowing multiple night deaths).
- If a choice/favouring role (such as Yudhe is) is targetted and killed at night, the results of their choice linger into the next day, but no further. (Think of it like Lowmagic's Yellow chakra ... even if it fades, the results of the increased con/health remain until they're dissipated, such as by expending health ... or, in the case of Yudhe's lingering favour, by expending the 'bonus' vote.)

Any lingering confusion still remaining?
Unknown2005-08-06 02:30:51
YolF targetted Requiem and protected Xenthos during the same day. I have YolF and Xenthos as confirmed Soulless. I don't think it's a question of who to kill.
Xenthos2005-08-06 02:35:53
QUOTE(BobStar @ Aug 5 2005, 10:30 PM)
YolF targetted Requiem and protected Xenthos during the same day. I have YolF and Xenthos as confirmed Soulless. I don't think it's a question of who to kill.
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Heh, as I said earlier, it was a darned good play, Bobstar. He's the one target you could be sure would point a finger directly at us, and he was ready with an immediate argument to point that out.
Cwin2005-08-06 03:13:06
Well, I feel honored that everyone is looking at me so much.

My belief still stands. YoLF gets my vote.

So it's Marcalo's turn at the ultimate decision. I'm sorry to say but you can't realy abstain this time: chosing not to vote will be the same as voting with YoLF, since we NEED your vote.

To help try to clear things up, it comes down to two groups:

Me and Bobstar
vs
YoLF, Xenthos, and Quidgyboo

Everyone believes that I am on the level. Bobstar thinks YoLF and the others are the two soulless and Luf working together. YoLF and Xenthos believe that Bobstar is soulless, I'm being duped, and the other bad guys are dead.

So where do you fit into this?

If you believe me and Bobstar, then vote for YoLF. Our combined vote will off YoLF. Tomarrow, one of us will die, but it should be enough to get the last soulless offed, winning the game.

Abstain or vote for YoLF and we won't have enough, and Bobstar will be dead by morning.

Thus, who do you believe? Bobstar or YoLF?