Xavius2005-08-05 06:29:05
Huge hijack, buuut...
Plants handle radiation quite well. In Hiroshima, saplings grew like mad in the rubble. There's no scientific study that I know of that says radiation is beneficial to plants, but the anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that it is.
K, no more hijack. Well, maybe just a semi-hijack at this point. Michael Crighton's new book, can't remember the name of it right now, takes a couple stabs at the preconceived notions of environmentalism. One of the points I found most interesting is that our "old growth" forests are actually younger than a lot of the architecture on the eastern US coast. If we leave things alone, nature isn't particularly static. Nature does its own crop rotation.
I honestly think the case for Glomdoring being tainted in the sense that Magnagora is tainted is a shaky argument. It bears the marks of the taint, it adapted around the presence of the taint, but actually directly USING taint isn't all that common. Yes, undead wander the commune, and we don't bat an eye. Yes, the Ebonglom used to be a druid, then we stuffed it with taint. There's not much interest in changing what's already been done. We're not looking to spread Kethuru's reach, though. There's no indication either way if a Blacktalon demesne is tainted or just shows the marks of the taint that ravaged Glomdoring.
Plants handle radiation quite well. In Hiroshima, saplings grew like mad in the rubble. There's no scientific study that I know of that says radiation is beneficial to plants, but the anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that it is.
K, no more hijack. Well, maybe just a semi-hijack at this point. Michael Crighton's new book, can't remember the name of it right now, takes a couple stabs at the preconceived notions of environmentalism. One of the points I found most interesting is that our "old growth" forests are actually younger than a lot of the architecture on the eastern US coast. If we leave things alone, nature isn't particularly static. Nature does its own crop rotation.
I honestly think the case for Glomdoring being tainted in the sense that Magnagora is tainted is a shaky argument. It bears the marks of the taint, it adapted around the presence of the taint, but actually directly USING taint isn't all that common. Yes, undead wander the commune, and we don't bat an eye. Yes, the Ebonglom used to be a druid, then we stuffed it with taint. There's not much interest in changing what's already been done. We're not looking to spread Kethuru's reach, though. There's no indication either way if a Blacktalon demesne is tainted or just shows the marks of the taint that ravaged Glomdoring.
Narsrim2005-08-05 10:43:04
QUOTE(Kidaen @ Aug 1 2005, 03:43 AM)
Actually, I must admit I don't really see how the fae fall outside the nature I described, I feel that like Gregori, you refer to nature not even as the "current" ecosystem, but the "current serenwilde" ecosystem. Nature does not care about individual species, they die out all the time, however, they are also constantly replaced by new species which will eventually provide a different but no les feasable nature. There is no reason whatsoever that I can see why the fae should be placed outside these rules. (Which in a sense, would also state that the Fae are not part of nature, which I am sure will cause high and mighty protest from the direction of both the Seren and Glomdoring.) I also stated that yes, the taint does corrupt things and yes, the Fae would be different if they all were to fall to the taint. However, once more, this is no more or less nature then the current fae are, just different.
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Being terribly bored and with nothing to do, I must reply:
The problem with your theory is that you assume that "Nature" is a physical entity. The definition of "Nature" you have opted to use is straight out of the dictionary:
Nature: The forces and processes that produce and control all the phenomena of the material world.
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However, the concept of "Nature" in Lusternia is not bound the the material world. The Fae, as defined in the histories, are the "lesser spirits of Nature." As far as the histories indicate, it does appear the Nature is incapable of evolving a new "soul" as it requires more than a physical component to exist.
It is also worth noting that the Fae are immortal. Whereas Ellindel Treeheart was able to craft a physical form for them so they may be healed, the spirits (Fae) exist without them. For this reason, a slain Fae may be instantly resurrected in the Well of Souls. The physical form is renewed and the once bound the spirit, it alive once more.
Unknown2005-08-05 19:05:47
I treat nature as a physical entity? 
Gregori2005-08-06 09:12:42
QUOTE(Xavius @ Aug 5 2005, 12:29 AM)
There's no indication either way if a Blacktalon demesne is tainted or just shows the marks of the taint that ravaged Glomdoring.
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QUOTE
Blacktalon
The sickly buzzing of tainted locusts infests the forest.
Marsu presses his lips together and makes a buzzing sound. He them opens his
mouth and vomits forth a stream of tainted locusts that greedily infest the
surrounding land and gorge themselves until they bloat.
The sickly buzzing of tainted locusts infests the forest.
Marsu presses his lips together and makes a buzzing sound. He them opens his
mouth and vomits forth a stream of tainted locusts that greedily infest the
surrounding land and gorge themselves until they bloat.
I think this pretty much covers the is blacktalon demesne tainted or not arguement. Since the locusts are part of the demesne, and they are tainted. You may not taint the earth itself, but that doesn't mean the demesne isn't tainted.
Shiri2005-08-06 09:17:34
Ethereal Glomdoring is tainted.
Therefore summoning a forest from Ethereal Glomdoring is tainted as well. What distinction is there between "tainted and shows marks of taint" anyway? They're synonymmous.
Therefore summoning a forest from Ethereal Glomdoring is tainted as well. What distinction is there between "tainted and shows marks of taint" anyway? They're synonymmous.
Sobran2005-08-06 09:23:35
Blacktalons do not nor will ever see their demesnes as tainted. Yes, in pure fact they may be. But they'll never see it.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
Shiri2005-08-06 09:26:28
QUOTE(Sobran @ Aug 6 2005, 10:23 AM)
Blacktalons do not nor will ever see their demesnes as tainted. Yes, in pure fact they may be. But they'll never see it.
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1. This isn't relevant.
2. It isn't actually true either. Plenty of Blacktalon admit that their demesne is Tainted, they just don't care.
3. As for your question, probably not. Glomdoring hasn't changed much of its own volition in however many years. (Then again, nor has Magnagora really.) If it did though, it'd be something they want us to find out in game.
Unknown2005-08-06 12:43:27
QUOTE(Sobran @ Aug 6 2005, 04:23 AM)
Blacktalons do not nor will ever see their demesnes as tainted. Yes, in pure fact they may be. But they'll never see it.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
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I believe the divine response is "Find out IC!", which I would join in the repetative choir. I, however, believe things will continue to change, until it reached the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder - at which point it would stagnate, and kill everything else. And then perhaps turn on itself, or other things within the Glomdoring.
Auseklis would be the BEST one to answer this question, IMO. No bias, at all.
Unknown2005-08-06 12:44:45
QUOTE(Sobran @ Aug 6 2005, 04:23 AM)
Blacktalons do not nor will ever see their demesnes as tainted. Yes, in pure fact they may be. But they'll never see it.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
But I want to throw a question out as well. What would be the long term affects of a tainted forest? Would mutations continue to take place? Would it become more and more of a volatile environment? Info from the Higher ups would be great. And everyone else too.
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And, as an addendum to my previous post - one of the Aspects of White Hart said that a Sapling that remained in a Blacktalon's demesne long enough would become Tainted. I believe this would lend itself to my arguement - change would continue, until there is nothing left to improve upon.
