Faethorn

by Unknown

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Unknown2005-08-02 09:46:22
Because the Big trees filled with lots and lots of power go hey Geo/Aqua/Mancer, feck off and stop destroying the forest.

Not here, and that probably should be changed.
Narsrim2005-08-02 09:51:22
The *only* reason that it is still possible to taint/flood Faethorn is because you can forest/flood/infest Nil and forest/taint/infest Celestia. The cosmic planes are considered similar to the Ethereal Plane in that all the important junk lives there (Supernals, Moon Avatars, Night Avatars, Demon Lords, fae, demons, angels, etc).

I think it would be oodles of fun to change this to where you could not alter Nil, Celestia, and you could only forest/infest Faethorn.
Unknown2005-08-02 09:58:03
Yeah, but then it'd totally screw over everyone except Serenwilde, since they could wisp without changing the type, while Mag would then need to get a pet Blacktalon as rare as they are, to infest for them, and i dont think there's any skill that lets you pull from one tainted room to another in the same area, without a demesne anyway?
Shiri2005-08-02 10:01:51
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 10:58 AM)
Yeah, but then it'd totally screw over everyone except Serenwilde, since they could wisp without changing the type, while Mag would then need to get a pet Blacktalon as rare as they are, to infest for them, and i dont think there's any skill that lets you pull from one tainted room to another in the same area, without a demesne anyway?
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It would screw over everyone except Serenwilde and Glomdoring.

That being the entire point of the change...yes.
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:03:49
Of course Tenqual, I support the idea that if Mother Night has Faethorn, it should change to tainted forest. Thus, it would truly only favor Glomdoring and Serenwilde... whoever could win the battle.

Unknown2005-08-02 10:07:22
It would favour Serenwilde most of the time, if we started again, now from the start, Serenwilde can auto meld and wisp while it is neutral, while we still have to infest. tongue.gif Faethorn should reject -all- types of melding while neutral. happy.gif
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:14:58
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:07 AM)
It would favour Serenwilde most of the time, if we started again, now from the start, Serenwilde can auto meld and wisp while it is neutral, while we still have to infest.  tongue.gif Faethorn should reject -all- types of melding while neutral.  happy.gif
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You do realize that the forest hasn't been neutral but like for a couple hours of so, right? You do not have to do the quest to re-claim it for Moon/Night if Moon/Night continues to win-win-win. You only have to do the quest when the current holder loses.

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Example:

Moon has control of Faethorn. Moon beats Night. Moon maintains Faethorn

Moon has control of Faethorn. Night beat Moon. Night must do quest to take Faethorn (neutral until so).

Of course, vice versa applies.

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Given that a piece to the quest is in Ethereal Glomdoring, it took Serenwilde like an hour to do the quest last time we had to do so. I imagine Glomdoring would be able to pull this off in at least 45 min if people were devoted.
Unknown2005-08-02 10:21:10
Yeah, cept for the fact, even before the treaty, we never could raise enough Daughters and keep them alive to actually win. And i dont think Devotion has much to do with this, more like player base sleep.gif And there's also the fact, when it's neutral Serenwilde can also complete the quest as well to regain it.
Nayl2005-08-02 10:25:17
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:21 PM)
Yeah, cept for the fact, even before the treaty, we never could raise enough Daughters and keep them alive to actually win. And i dont think Devotion has much to do with this, more like player base  sleep.gif And there's also the fact, when it's neutral Serenwilde can also complete the quest as well to regain it.
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And.. when it's neutral. It's still free to meld for Hartstone.
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:26:15
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:21 AM)
Yeah, cept for the fact, even before the treaty, we never could raise enough Daughters and keep them alive to actually win. And i dont think Devotion has much to do with this, more like player base  sleep.gif And there's also the fact, when it's neutral Serenwilde can also complete the quest as well to regain it.
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When the Ladies of Mother Moon win, only Serenwilde can present the sceptre to Maeve. When the Daughter of Night win, only Glomdoring can present the sceptre to Maeve. This is just like the sea quest with the dolphins and seawolves.

Furthermore, it has nothing to do with player base. One person (me) raided Glomdoring to get all of the Daughters of Night. That's it, one person.

There has yet to be a successful raid on Ethereal Serenwilde (to my knowledge) by any Glomdoring member. Surely your entire Commune has more of a "player base" than Narsrim who is a single person.

Narsrim2005-08-02 10:27:23
If Glomdoring cannot hold a meld (by *gasp* infesting) over Faethorn for 30-45min to do the quest, then the problem isn't Faethorn. The problem is Glomdoring.
Unknown2005-08-02 10:28:31
No it's more the fact that, Narsrim is a single tanky, trans most things, champion. Then a single person, Mr. I solo Demonlords-Avatars-Supernals happy.gif
And no, the last time we won, when we actually did, Serenwilde presented the staff. So ha! happy.gif
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:32:49
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:28 AM)
No it's more the fact that, Narsrim is a single tanky, trans most things, champion. Then a single person, Mr. I solo Demonlords-Avatars-Supernals  happy.gif
And no, the last time we won, when we actually did, Serenwilde presented the staff. So ha! happy.gif
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The last time you won, the battles were extremely frequent. I'm almost sure we waited like 2 days, won, and did the quest.

Also, Ethelon has any many trans skill as me. He's a champion, etc. He may not have slain Demon Lords... but then again, since when was a lady of silver light up to par with Gorgulu?
Unknown2005-08-02 10:35:51
Since you have more guards then us tongue.gif I dont think the battles were that frequent, it also has to do with the fact, -all- the quest denizens when neutral are loyal to Faethorn, while we kill fae to raise the daughers, we get enemied to Faethorn, thus the denizen mobs will attack us when we greet them to get the quests. What fun! And there's also the fact, we dont know the quests and to greet them is to get attacked, so we cant figure out the quest either. tongue.gif I know a few parts but not all of it.
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:46:29
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:35 AM)
Since you have more guards then us  tongue.gif I dont think the battles were that frequent, it also has to do with the fact, -all- the quest denizens when neutral are loyal to Faethorn, while we kill fae to raise the daughers, we get enemied to Faethorn, thus the denizen mobs will attack us when we greet them to get the quests. What fun! And there's also the fact, we dont know the quests and to greet them is to get attacked, so we cant figure out the quest either.  tongue.gif I know a few parts but not all of it.
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Fact: Glomdoring has more guards in one room in Ethereal Glomdoring than Serenwilde has in Ethereal Serenwilde total.

Fact: There is a skill in Influence that will give you a temporary reprieve from enemy territory. I'm sure one person in Glomdoring has it and you can use it on others. The quests are still possible even when Faethorn is controlled by Moon/Night. Obviously, you don't get pieces of the sceptre, but if you know the quests, you know the quests.

Fact: Someone in Glomdoring is probably not enemied to Faethorn if you need to greet em to find out. At this point, anyone can give the items if you know what you are doing

Fact: Glomdoring has never really attempted to learn the quests. That would require not trying to torch Faethorn with Magnagora.
Unknown2005-08-02 10:50:42
I think it's more like the fact, we cant learn, with you know the whole, ZOMG IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S TAINTED! JUMP IT! Now by Serens, meaning we probably cant learn them.
Narsrim2005-08-02 10:53:35
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 06:50 AM)
I think it's more like the fact, we cant learn, with you know the whole, ZOMG IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S TAINTED! JUMP IT! Now by Serens, meaning we probably cant learn them.
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Heh. There have been several times when Faethorn has been held by a Geomancer demesne with Glomdoring playing side kick. Those people could have just branched off and learned. They didn't... it isn't like the chance was never there, it just wasn't used.
Gregori2005-08-02 10:56:58
It isn't polite to point out their incompetence.
Unknown2005-08-02 12:11:46
Awww, it's ok, we knom we suck, you pointing it out is just reassuring the fact. biggrin.gif
Unknown2005-08-02 13:14:25
QUOTE(tenqual @ Aug 2 2005, 04:31 AM)
Ok, Ethereal Glomdoring, is basically the essence of GLomdoring, it represents GLomdoring, and it's where it is the strongest, Ethereal Serenwilde, is same, yadda yadda yadda, hence why they cant Taint/Flood Eth Glom or Serenwilde, Faethorn how ever is not either, it is a forest, forest has earth to grow in, thus you can taint it, it has water in the ground, thus you can flood it, and it has insects somewhere, hence why you can infest it, it also is a normal forest hence why Hartstone can automatically meld it without foresting first.

The reason you cannot forest/flood Earth is because it basically is one of the essences of Taint, the two being Nil and the Megalith, which earth is connected to, as Faethorn -isnt- connected to a Nexus, there is no super cool magical force keeping it a certain way, thus why Eth Glom and Eth Seren cant be flooded/tainted, cause the respective nexii are like continuously pushing out their force thing.

And it's the same with the Water Plane, Pool of Stars, water, yeah, you get the picture.

The part about when Night controls Faethorn, which will probably never happen, might be true, but hey, as i said, it'll never happen so we probably wont find out.

Also i'm pretty positivly sure, that when Ackleberry comes back, maybe... it will be like a different type of forest, maybe a watery forest, since you know, they follow Lady Lake, so they'd like force-somthing- it and it'd be like a rain forest maybe, humid and such.
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Right, sorry. I forgot about Maeve. You know, the most powerful spirit in all Nature. Made up of every single fae and greater fae that is awake, and when those asleep awaken, them too. 'Cause, you know, without Maeve, Night and Glumki and Gwyllgi and Lhiannan and Moon and Luna and Selena and Hart and Crow and Lake and Sun and River and Bear and Snake and Wolf and Squirrel and Rock and Tree and... Yea, they all kind of start dieing. And when they start dieing, I imagine so will the Ravenwood, and the Moonhart, the former of which was given life directly by the Avatars of Night - so perhaps they may not be able to sustain it, and it'll start dieing? Mm, possibilities.

You're right, what sort of crappy logic have I been using?

*/sarcasm*