Trans Influence, look like royalty, under Sanctuary, and I can't seem to win. Everytime I lose, it's because I influenced my opp, and picked the wrong topic to debate with.

Most recent:

3106h, 3472m, 3472e, 10p, 14430en, 16032w ex-
debate terenas with pettifoggery

You unscrupulously quibble about the smallest points in your argument, bringing
up esoteric minutiae to support your theories. Terenas laughs in your face and
counters every point you raise with facts of arcane trivia that deflates your
entire dissertation.
The stress of this debate is too much! You throw up your hands up in
exasperation and curse loudly, losing face in front of your peers.
After a long pause in you and your interlocutor's dialectic, you lose interest
in the debate and let your mind drift to other things.
3106h, 3472m, 0e, 10p, 14430en, 16025w x-


That's 3472 ego lost in one attack.

I rarely go on the offensive in a debate. I just change mindsets. It's far easier that way.

The longer the debate, and the more times you lose on the offence, the more it hurts to lose on the offense. If you make too many wrong points, you have to learn when to stop talking, take a breath, and let the matter lie. When the debate ends, you can start a whole new debate from scratch.

Ooh, I know who Bobstar is now!

And yeah, debating is insane. I hit you for 4 successful in a row, miss on the fifth and bam went 1k ego. On my 4th or so miss, I was down nearly 2k ego in one hit. Why I stopped going on the offensive, it's just rediculous.

It's not ridiculous - you just need to learn when to stop =\\ It's not fighting, where you want to keep hitting. You need to stop and defend sometimes.

He already said who he is, I wouldn't've figured it out else.

Just throw out any idea that links debate with combat. They are in NO way alike.


That said, you CAN be an effective offensive debater without simply switching to defense. In truth, offensive debating wasn't impossible even back when the advantage was completely towards the defender (no matter what you do, 4 losses meant instadeath to the attacker. It's NOT true now by the way).


The first trick is to know just what your attack is doing to the enemy. I bet ALOT of people are losing after a long debate because they think they are winning when, in fact, they aren't doing anything to your opponent. Remember:

There's two outcomes that lead to you 'winning the point' as far as the debate text is shown. In fact, both of those outcomes look VERY similar to each other.

One outcome, the 'draw', leads to the defender losing around 200 or so ego, which is less than many ego attacks on mobs take away (MUCH less than what Bromide can give back).

The other outcome lobs off a good 1000 at the start and goes up from there. The amount taken depends on how many 'wins' you've already had before and on time. Your rank in Influence, your skill, your ego, your charisma, your clothing, ALL of that doesn't matter (well, the amount of ego does, similar to how more health means a better chance at surviving a battle).

Thus, if you've been attacking more than once and they aren't panicing, either they have a godly amount of ego, or else you need to switch debate types. I don't believe anyone can take 4 in a row.


As for what attack to do against an opponent..well. I'll tell you this: rock, paper, scissors is technicaly random, but you can still be 'good or 'bad' at playing the game.

Debating seems to be one of those things you just have fun with. I ran around the last friendly village and I think I lost every single debate. Lost to Nejii in about 3 seconds, Malicia was doing 50 other things and still beat me. I think it is more hilarious than anything I will truly worry about, as there seem to be some people with systems for it whom I will never compete with.

Well, I have a decent trigger set that has random (totally random) mindset changes, and I manually switch between the three aliases for attacks. I'll have to look into the difference between draw, win, etc.

The thing is, beyond a system that makes your defense random there realy isn't any way to autoup debate. It realy is a game of rock, paper, sissors: either you win, lose, or draw each time. If you are the type to just sticks to one type of attack or defense you don't have a chance (It's dang well easy to tell them apart and put the hurt on them, defense or offense).

That reminds me of a tip, though: make sure you have a manual override for both defense setting and offense setting. If someone is always attacking with Pettifogery, for example, you will NOT want to switch randomly and will WANT to stay at Analytical.

I'll throw one more hint about Randomness: Some people Random like a lightswitch, and others Random like a coin toss. Both have it's advantages and disadvantages.

I had my system memorizing patterns of attacks and trying to predict them after it had enough patterns. If someone did random attacks, this would essentially devolve into random defenses, so no loss. But for those who did cyclical or repeated attacks, it was quite effective. I hadn't gotten as far as making it predict defenses, though, and I suppose I never will now.

I have random defenses with override capability, and everything else is #SHOW commands and three aliases - pettifoggery, pontification, passion.

You're insane. In a wonderful, please-be-my-mentor sort of way.

It's nowhere near as hard to do as it sounds. Only took a couple hours to put together.

Of course, I may not be good at many things but I am very good at coding, so I suppose that's easy for me to say.

There are indeed three outcomes, but two are not "wins". One is considered a win, the other more of a tie. With a tie, you do tepid damage to your opponent, but not much. What is important is that a win boost up your debating power. A tie does not. This is what makes you do more damage, and so a tie will not gain you that advantage. A loss boosts your opponent's debating power, which is why they say X losses results in an insta-kill. Thus if you think you got 10 wins but they were really ties then you are getting nowhere, and in that case if you had 5 losses then you are probably doomed. Hence the others are correct in saying you need to watch carefully what it says is the result.

I'm perfect in debates since fixing my system The #SHOW commands warn me when I lose or win, or my opp loses or wins