I move for grace to be stripped if you transverse a nexus or a planar rift.

Actually, the demesne was not set against me. I continued to roam the demesne, break it, and collect Fae even after my grace was gone.

Seconded. Makes sense OOCly given the free PK on higher planes and ICly, the way Avenchna is limited to Prime as well.

I'm not saying it's a good or bad idea, but isn't grace simple Divine, not specifically given by Avecha? That was my impression.

It would be pretty easy to implement, I think. Just make it so if you try to transverse while graced you get the 'Blah blah must REJECT GRACE blah blah' message that so many other skills give.

Great lets make exploring an agressive action....

Mmm that's my concern too. I like to take the occasional littly on a trip around the Ethereal from time to time.

And there's nothing stopping you, other than the fact that you're going into an area that's much more a potential warzone than the Prime plane.

And yes, grace is divine. I meant it as an example of one PK protection system which is limited to Prime versus another (grace) that isn't. If it comes to it, I don't think that it'd be too hard to change the word "Divine" to "Avechnan" in a few messages - it's too good an idea to miss for something that small.

I'd rather not put the novice at risk. I'm not worried about my character, but if there is a chance the novice I am leading around will be hurt, I'd rather not take it. Let's try for solutions that work within the systems we have for once, yeah?

I misread your post, but Grace of Innocence is there to protect novices, and that's a different matter altogether.

Divine grace is there so that, after you've been killed, you can choose to do a very limited number of things (such as not being able to bash, which not only gets to xp but often gets your city power as well, pk, or perhaps even visit other planes) in exchange for not getting killed again immediately. If you're going to go to another plane, where the Avenger system doesn't protect you from being killed, why are you protected by another system?

Mm yeah sorry I wasn't thinking properly either - I saw grace and just forgot the difference between divine grace and grace of innocence - I have don't have an issue with divine grace being limited as you are suggesting.

On a semi-random side note, I second the motion to remove all instances of "Divine" in relation to Grace, and replace them with the word "Avechna's"

"Marsu walks in Avechna's Grace. You may not harm him."

"You cry aloud your rejection of avechna's grace, and leave the protection of the
Avenger."

And I approve the motion that Grace (not Innocence, just Grace) should only work on Prime.

The renaming isn't really needed - it just makes a bit more sense if grace is changed to prevent transversing as well.

Grace should work like serpent! You can do whatever you want but once you move a room its gone.

Interesting idea, Alger, but defies the point of grace. If I can repeat myself:

Divine grace is there so that, after you've been killed, you can choose to do a very limited number of things (such as not being able to bash, which not only gets to xp but often gets your city power as well, pk, or perhaps even visit other planes) in exchange for not getting killed again immediately.

This means that if you don't want to participate in pk and would rather just do quests and things, you have the choice to.

I always thought Divine Grace was just there so you don't get rezzkilled.

That is, in essence, what I just said, Shiri. It's to stop you getting killed if you don't want to be - it gives you a chance to do something that doesn't involve killing things. Whether that's teleporting back to your nexus or questing up to level 100, they both fall into the same catagory.

If grace was just designed to protect you briefly from retaliation after being killed, it'd be stripped like grace after arena events is.

If it was supposed to be used for questing to 100, I don't think it would have been changed to only last 15 minutes. (I remember being around on Achaea when that change was made, PRESUMABLY because people were abusing it by doing that sort of thing when its purpose was to stop things like a group of 10 priests ganking you, raising you, killing you again, raising, killing...etc. etc.

EDIT: I'm 99% sure that it IS stripped like arena grace, that's the point. It's after like 15 minutes or so though. Right? Isn't that true here? Or is that Achaea only?

Except it lasts only like 10 minutes after you die...

I see what you mean but honestly that sort of argument really doesn't work, all the people from Magnagora and Glomdoring I know who started using grace to gain such an advantage did so after they saw Serens do it. Isn't that how it works all the time? Some idiot does it, the other side goes "well, if THEY do it why shouldn't we?" so more do it, then the other side goes "hell, they all do it, so we'll do it too". Then we once again end up with everyone doing something they probably shouldn't and it's all 'cause "the other ones did it first". Message of the day: If you think it's bad to do it, don't do it, even if the others do it. *shrug*