Ethelon2005-08-09 06:56:44
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Aug 9 2005, 02:52 AM)
I think you came here to flame Lisaera - end of story.
However, I'd love for you to name one of those "alts" that got away with it. I defend Faethorn daily. I have yet to see anyone there who was not an active, fully ranked Moondancer/Hartstone/Serenguard.
However, I'd love for you to name one of those "alts" that got away with it. I defend Faethorn daily. I have yet to see anyone there who was not an active, fully ranked Moondancer/Hartstone/Serenguard.
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Tarya
Gregori2005-08-09 06:58:48
I recall seeing Tarya around, I admit to not bothering to check her honours till just now, as she is a Seren and there was raiding going on so she was not a concern to me at the time. If she was abusing Grace of Innocense to collect Fae then she should have hers forcefully removed as well.
Ialie2005-08-09 07:01:06
So.. are novices, newbies not allowed to collect fae then?
Are they also not allowed to do the furrikin quests, rescuing them and so forth?
Are they also not allowed to do the furrikin quests, rescuing them and so forth?
Gregori2005-08-09 07:01:46
I am sorry though, I just don't believe your motivation was anything less than "If they can do it, we can do it....Oops I got caught doing it! Time to complain!"
Gregori2005-08-09 07:06:08
QUOTE(Ialie @ Aug 9 2005, 01:01 AM)
So.. are novices, newbies not allowed to collect fae then?
Are they also not allowed to do the furrikin quests, rescuing them and so forth?
Are they also not allowed to do the furrikin quests, rescuing them and so forth?
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If said novice/newbie is walking through a zone being actively fought in, doing a quest that is the reason the active fighting is going on. That in my opinion is abusing it. The admins don't have to agree with me and probably don't *grin* but I see very clearly how the one is abusing the system. Rather, like if I made an alt and walked into Magnagora and sat around at the Megalith just to annoy all the Magnagorans. That is abusing the system.
It would be nice if we could all police ourselves and not have to rely on the admins to police us, sadly we cannot though and they have to decide case by case if there is something shady going on. Even more sadly, they cannot always be there -to- decide.
Ethelon2005-08-09 07:07:29
QUOTE(Gregori @ Aug 9 2005, 03:01 AM)
I am sorry though, I just don't believe your motivation was anything less than "If they can do it, we can do it....Oops I got caught doing it! Time to complain!"
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Please drop it Gregori, you have tried to say I meant to do more than I did repeatedly now... DROP IT. I feel like I'm in high school and getting picked on by the kid who only knows one insult repeatedly.
Gregori2005-08-09 07:16:55
I have yet to say you did more than you intended to do. I have pointed out that you got caught doing what you intended to do, and instead of doing exactly what you claimed, you kept on doing it. Granted it was no longer abuse after you got Grace removed, but it doesn't change the fact your original statement was;
Once you found out, that you could not do the exact same thing, you lost all credibility in your argument by not logging off immediately and posting.
Anyways, I think it is clear that Someone thought it abuse, and the case is closed.
QUOTE(Ethelon @ Aug 8 2005, 11:24 PM)
Well, with the latest alt's being legal to use in the Faethorn quest, I decided to see if the Divine in favour of Serenwilde would let me do the EXACT SAME THING. So, I create an alt..... and in less than 10 minutes my Innocence is REMOVED before I even did the quest or did any type of action that could be considered offensive. If this is not apparent abuse on someone (who I won't name, but they know who they are) then I don't know what is. I really hope Estarra does something about this because it's gone way to far now.
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Once you found out, that you could not do the exact same thing, you lost all credibility in your argument by not logging off immediately and posting.
Anyways, I think it is clear that Someone thought it abuse, and the case is closed.
Ethelon2005-08-09 07:20:27
Thank you again Captain Obvious. Now that you have proven your point, as I have aswell, we can drop it right?
Ialie2005-08-09 07:21:57
Ethelon was told it was not abuse. He was plain out told that it was not by a God. It is not abuse.
Estarra2005-08-09 07:34:36
Out of curiosity (since I wasn't around), I just wasted some time by looking through the spools and administrative logs and can say with a fair amount of certainty that grace was not removed from Neijing by anyone from the admin. It appears as though Neijing lost grace through the normal game mechanics. If it's a bug, feel free to report it.
I will reiterate what I said in another thread:
Attempting to create a furor over our stance not to limit newbies from performing non-aggressive quests is wearing thin. Further, accusing the admin of being biased by creating an alt to "prove" some point is not being received very well (especially when proven it's not even true).
I suggest to all parties that you NOT create alts to test me further, as I'm in a shrubbing mood.
I'm locking this thread as there is nothing further to say.
I will reiterate what I said in another thread:
QUOTE(Estarra @ Aug 8 2005, 04:38 PM)
That said, if you decide to go out of your way to "prove" to us how grace can be abused by creating an alt out of spite for the sole purpose of disrupting the game, you may see the darker side of Estarra.
Attempting to create a furor over our stance not to limit newbies from performing non-aggressive quests is wearing thin. Further, accusing the admin of being biased by creating an alt to "prove" some point is not being received very well (especially when proven it's not even true).
I suggest to all parties that you NOT create alts to test me further, as I'm in a shrubbing mood.
I'm locking this thread as there is nothing further to say.