Who are you to define ethics in this situation? Your definition != the meaning, your word is not gospel

There is also no obligation for thorgal to make his system the best as he possibly can. In fact, he could have kept the original system he was selling and just update it with new cures when they come out, he's doing everyone a favour by totally redoing it.

Then you obviously have no idea about systems. His system is alright, but from what I have seen of it, and heard from his customers it has more exploits than Windows XP. Mind you if Bill Gates can get 300.00 for his software, Thorgal should be able to as well I suppose.

Anyways the point is, it may be worth 100 credits, it certainly is not worth 500.

Value is defined as the maximum price someone will pay for an item. I know amaru has sold his system for 900CR to a few people, and thorgal's system is better, I've seen both.

With the lack of supply of systems out there, and thorgal being the main supplier for zmud (mine is for warriors only) He would still sell a few systems for 500CR if that wa what he charged. he wouldn't sell as many obviously but he would still sell a few.

I havn't seen any exploits that can be easily overcome with a few very very minor tweaks.

I don't think Amaru's system was worth 900 credits either. Hell I don't think my system is worth 500 credits, but that is niether here nor there, because I code my system specifically for me. So selling it would be more time than it was worth to rip out all the specialised functions for my own things.

I have truly yet to see a system worth 500 credits. Yes people will pay that, but it doesn't mean it is worth it.

uhhh, thats the definition of value. The selling price of an item in an arms length transaction

EDIT: I'll refine that

Value of an item is determined what the market will pay for it, in an arms-length (that means no added extras or other things to up the value, or anything dodgy going on)

Exapmple, the value of a unit in a block of flats is heavily determined by how much the rest of the units in the block has sold for recently, other units in simlair blocks in the area are also used to determine a value.


Thorgal is the main supplies of systems for zmud for lusternia, I am the only other supplier and my system is mainly only for warriors.


Therefore if a few people buy thorgal's system for 500 CR, then its worth 500Cr

You personally might not see the value in it since you can code, I too would never buy a system because -I- can code. the value to yourself would not be 500 CR, but to someone who couldn't code to save their life, or has little to no experience with zmud (a good portion of lusternian players) it would be worth it to them, and that would illustrated by the fact thorgal's system would sell a few copies for 500 CR.

That's when you call upon my support and ask me what to do, it's what happens if you don't have parry in Combat.

As for the rest, I've made about 9.450 credits selling my system and maps, I've had enough positive reactions to cheer me up for the rest of my life, so you can imagine what I think you should do with your ethics-hidden jealousy. You've no idea how many hours I worked without getting any kind of payment.

think if you put that all into one char you'd be a bloody machine!

Serious though, thorgal is a damn good bloke and I hate people who get jealous and try to cut others down. He's done more system wise, and brought feasible combat to so many inlusternia, than anyone has for any ire game ever!

He did, he just guildhopped like 8 times.

you average 100 per system... how are you making 10 times less

By putting a decimal point in place of the comma that denotes "thousand."

I think that is supposed to 9, 450.

makes me want to consider accually putting effort in creating a system

And it's funny seem to think Thorgal is unethical for asking credits for big updates. And I'll illustrate this is infact legal and considered ethical by international trade standards.

I buy a professional virus killer from a well known brand, the proffesional license promises me free life long updates. Yet every 2 years I need to buy a new version as those are upGRADES and the code is considered to be adjusted enough to be a new software pack.

Thorgal did the exact same thing really, he had coded a system and provides bugfixes and minor changes (the accual updates) for free. however when new skills came out he brought out a system with big parts of new code to facilitate the new skills, these skills weren't promised to be supported before he brought out the system, so he can charge again for it. you bought System1.0 got free updates like System1.3 and now you need to pay to upgrade to System2.0

or if you prefer you pay 30 credits for the 'expansion pack' to the new healing stuff. I suppose that could work better for gamers

The difference is, these companies put in disclaimers to warn of such things.

psh who spends the time to read disclaimers, most gamers are illetate anyway

Regardless of wether you read it, it's still there. And most such programming says that by using the product, you agree to the terms.

No, it isn't. My definition of ethics, however, stems from my education in medical ethics, which I could point you to various national/international/state boards that have quite a reputation for being in-touch with ethics, however. How about you?

Munsia uses Thorgal's system. I have some specific hex combination as long with an interesting pooka force that will both induce loops... as a hint, one is a standing loop. I think Munsia told him, however, not sure if it got fixed.

Ekard,

Did the product you buy include the phrase "free life-long updates?" No. It didn't so this irrelevant.