There have been a number of solutions that would work better than the two you suggested. Just look back a few posts.

Corr, it's precisely the part where you do react to the situation that I'm talking about. The situation consists of hundreds of years of history saying "Serenwilde has to protect the fae" in various ways, and exactly zero things saying otherwise. When Thorgal suggests Serenwilde looks at that situation and conclude "We shouldn't protect the fae", he makes no sense at all specifically because of what you just said about reacting to the situation around you. And that's precisely why it's suggested the administration should change the situation, even if only in a very tiny way, to give Seren players some reason, any reason, to conclude anything other than the only conclusion available in the situation they have. If you're advocating changing opinions based on the situation, then it's high time you got to the part where you suggest what part of the situation suggests it, because so far, all they have is more and more and then even more reasons to continue.

So far the only thing that anyone's proposed for a change in the situation that warrants a changed conclusion is that Glomdoring now exists. No one has shown how "hey, there's more and nastier threats against our protectorate" leads to "we should abandon them!" rather than, as everyone else always concludes, "we should step up our efforts to protect them!" (If you really think that doesn't follow, did you expect the London authorities to retire en masse when some bombs made plain the threat against their charges (the public) was greater than previously thought? Funny how they stepped up efforts to increase protection instead.)

Even though this is the same thing everyone has been saying for this whole thread and the threads before this, I'm really hoping we're about to have a breakthrough of understanding, but you could always just say I don't know what roleplaying is instead.

The difference here is that the pepople in Serenwilde are apparently tired of doing whatever they were doing that cuased them to ask the administration to change things for them.

If the people of London got tired of the fight and asked the government to give in to their demands, they either would, or there would be a civil war.

The existance of Glomdoring should be enough for there to be an interchange of ideas to increase the level of tolerance amongst the two groups. For example, Protestants and Catholics fought eachother all the time untill they were in a situation where they had an exchange of ideas and another external threat.

At no point did God come down and change the rules for people, but they still got past hundreds and sometimes thousands of years of history, precisely because a new organization came into existance.

If people are willing to have nonstop fighting, then let them have nonstop fighting, but if they are not willing, then they should not need the admin to stop it for them. That is all.

And everything you said is answered once more by reminding you that there is IC and there is OOC. Attributing the motives of a player to a character, or vice versa, or conflating the two, leads very simply to contradictions and impossibilities. Stop doing that and the paradoxes you see will melt like frozen yogurt in the sun.

Also note that a group can be dead tired and yet still not wish to give up their cause. A RL example I can use would be the british during WWII.

ICly, Serenwilde IS tired and worn out but would stand anything to protect the fae. You can say that it can be handled by the players, BUT just saying "I'm bored, let's do something else" is just plain anti-RP (which would leave the group with a bad taste in their mouth).

So if you want to lay the chance on Serenwilde, you have to answer this question: How DO you get a fanatical group to stop being fanatics?

Honestly, only things I can think of are Faethorn no longer being under threat (code change, Glom switching targets, Glom dying, or Faethorn blowing up FF7 meteor style) or Faethorn being upright hostile to Serenwilde to the point where Seren is too busy worrying about living to do much else.

Remember these are NOT sensible people here. They won't listen to reason or follow logic. Don't try to treat them that way just because they are 'characters in a game'.

I still believe, though, that it would be better to focus the change on Glomdoring. They are crazy fanatics as well but it'll be easier to manipulate them since their focus is on..well.. themselves. Sing a song without fae to Serenwilde and get booed. Sing a song of power without fae to Glomdoring and you might get heard.

Question is: what can Glom do without Faethorn?

I see. I just would have thought that a player that is bored is worth a bit more than zealotry of a charachter you don't wish to play with anymore.

I've made a little adjustment to Faethorn as an experiment, which will be apparent as time marches on.

Is this like dictionary term 'little adjustment' or 'OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE' little adjustment?

I think this has to do with the current position of the fae, which
is probably going to result in a good work out for the totems if anything.

Guess I was wrong, the admin do like to make changes to the code .

"Little" my foot.

Good change though!