I have to disagree entirely with you, Shikari. It has nothing whatever to do with the taint. It's far simpler.

If Celest were attacking fae to enslave or kill them, Serenwilde would be reacting to them exactly as they are to Glomdoring. Faethorn is Serenwilde's ally and wants its protection; the commune's entire history celebrates that relationship and that protection. Serenwilde will protect it against any threats with determined vigor, and it will not seriously consider any resolution that does not leave Faethorn safe from harm.

In short, to Serenwilde, it's not about Glomdoring and it's not about the taint. Those are largely irrelevant. It's about protecting the fae. It's only about the fae. What made the treaty work while it did is the fact that it would protect the fae better than not having the treaty would.

I don't deny that most Serens do in fact want to see Glomdoring kept weak and would like to see it cured. But that is generally not what motivates the actions in Faethorn at all. Neither is the power gained from it; if Serenwilde cared that much about power they'd be doing tons of things differently than they do. It's nothing more or less than protecting Serenwilde's ally, friend, and protectorate. It really is that simple.

I'd like to see some of the Fae reject Serenwilde myself. The Fae are the Fae. Maybe some of those fae don't want to be protected, or go to the Moon avatars.

After thinking about it--the Fae, to me, appear bound to the Moon as well as the Night. Both 'dancer guilds appear to enslave the fae. All they want to do is just wander around faethorn.

The Fae are pawns. Serenwilde is just deluding themselves into thinking they arent' doing the same thing as giving the fae to Nil or Celstia, or Glomdoring.

It would give them fits if it said "A pooka bound in moonlight is here."

Kinda like putting collars on the Supernals. It just doesn't work.

Good idea. Some of the Supernals should reject Celest and some Demon Lords Nil while we're at it. I think that would make much more sense, since both are really enslaving angels and demons against their will. None of this rubbish about pretending to work for and with them.

Um, not at all? Currently, I agree with how it is, you don't bind fae. But it could easily be changed, probably. The Supernals aren't neutral, as are the fae.

The Fae aren't particularly "neutral" either. The Supernals are pro-Light, which is the concept Celest follows. The Fae, in a similar but not identical fashion, taught Ellindel and Glinshari how to call upon them for aid (not trap them) and how to summon their ethereal forests and stuff.

Faethorn is not Serenwildes ally. Queen Maeve doesnt care who rules Faethorn. It is Serenwilde belief that they are protecting fae that is the cause for all the drama.

Serenwilde is as much of an enslaver of the fae as Glomdoring.

The situations in Nil/Celestia and in Faethorn are entirely different. I don't see why they keep getting brought up.

So what about the piece of history I just made an example from that makes everything you just said wrong?

Don't try and make Serenwilde look like the bad guys. The Glomdoring is evil. End of story. Remember the part of the histories where Rowena went bat**** and started tearing Ethereal a new asshole? That's what Glomdoring does. Know it. Love it. Ph3ar it.

I guess.

Have Maeve dislike the gathering of Her subjects, knocking away a little time of loyalty for each one gathered when the champions are not preparing? *shrug*. Have Her bar Faethorn from ALL intruders except for a few rooms (Around the gates and archways) at certain times? I dunno.

OOooooo, people read my post.

Anyway, the two groups truly do hate each other, but there's a few clues as to my belief that it hasn't gotten to the "DIEDIEDIEDIE I don't care JUST DIE!" stage yet:

1) It's Faethorn, and always Faethorn.

2) The conflict starts the same way: Glomdoring enters Fathorn, Serenwilde tries to push them out immediatly. War begins anew.

If it were a more general matter, there would be more attempts to attack each other's villages or the commune itself. Even when there IS an on-prime issue, it's usualy a result of something that happened in Faethorn (the issues that happened in prime during the treaty, for example, were based on the violations, real or imagined, that happened in Faethorn) Thus while the two sides would still wish each other dead, if we can dispel the headbutting up there, the two sides would be able to focus on other matters.

Whether Faethorn should be pushing Serenwilde more and more away depends on Mauve's beliefs. Let's face it, no matter what happened before, it's Serenwilde that is deciding to protect Faethorn, NOT Mauve. I do wonder, though, what is it that she DOES care about. Does she prefer peace? Is she becomming tainted? Does she consider the whole Serenwilde/Glomdoring fight a trivial matter compared to the big picture? Perhaps someone ICly needs to go talk to her and find out what's on her mind these days.

Meanwhile, to those Glommys who are reading this now, would you leave Faethorn alone if there were another way to grow without them?

So how would people like the wild fae only appear the day (game month) before a moon/night battle? We'd increase the essence they are worth since they only come out for limited time and you'd get breathing space between battles. Or any better concrete solutions?

Wouldn't that be a lot like landmarking? Or am I misunderstanding you? That is, two sides need creatures from one location one month a year (or whatever), and two other sides stand in the key locations getting free PK on whoever they want. I seem to remember that being the sort of situation you were trying to avoid with village influencing, though I'm not exactly sure.

I think its a bit different than landmarking (especially since there's not one location to fight over and whoever controls that one location gets a huge advantage). Anyway, what's your alternative suggestion? I am open to ideas.

I'm all out. I'm not actually opposed to the one you suggested, to be honest, it looks like a good solution to me. But I thought it sounded a bit like landmarking which everyone complained about.

(And your post confused me a bit actually. You mean landmarking doesn't have one area to fight over and whoever controls the one gets a huge advantage, right? 'cause that's what it's like here. One Faethorn, one demesne, one huge advantage.)

Well, I was referring to the ONE ROOM in landmarking that was so important and people continuously piled upon.

Only having the wild fae appear as the battle nears would be great, although I'm still for my suggestion that wild fae gathered when the battle is still far off simply don't cause champions to spawn.

Won't Seren and Glom continue to fight over them though? As it is now, the champions don't matter but there still seems to be much conflict so I'm doubtful that champions not spawning will change anything.