I just did a little impromptu test using my double lightning runed claymore, and this is the results. Both test dummies had no defenses at all, and were using the same armour. Also one had a level 3 weakness to lightning while the other had no weakness at all to it.

Info

Attacker - Daevos
Relevant Skills:
Transcendent Pureblade

Stats:
Strength - 17
Dexterity - 12

Weapon:
Claymore - Damage: 330 Precision: 315 Speed: 155
It has a Great Rune of the Jagged Lightning attached to it.
It has a Great Rune of the Jagged Lightning attached to it.

Test Dummy - Marsu
Relevant Skills:
Transcendent Resilience

Race:
Mugwump

Armor:
Great robes - Cutting Defense: 60 Blunt Defense: 41

Test Dummy 2 - Ixion
Relevant Skills:
Transcendent Resilience

Race:
Human

Armor:
Great robes - Cutting Defense: 60 Blunt Defense: 41


Testing

Mugwump

You swing the lightning fang of the dark dragon at Marsu. You cut deep into his gut, and a bloody intestine partially erupts with a foul stench.
4920h, 3148m, 2904e, 10p elr-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4920h, 3148m, 2904e, 10p lrx-
Marsu Aurendil, the Talons of Crow says, "3359 to 1811."

Marsu removes twisted black and red great robes.
Marsu gives twisted black and red great robes to Supreme Commander Kalas Ixion, the Poisoned Chalice.

Human

Ixion slips into twisted black and red great robes.

Focusing on his gut, you strike at Ixion with the lightning fang of the dark dragon. You prick him in the gut causing him to bleed slightly.
4920h, 3013m, 2904e, 10p elrx-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4920h, 3013m, 2904e, 10p lrx-
You tilt your head and listen intently.
4920h, 3013m, 2904e, 10p lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
Supreme Commander Kalas Ixion, the Poisoned Chalice says, "4514 to 3058."

Results

Mugwump's Damage Taken: 1548
Human's Damage Taken: 1456
Percent of Damage Increase: 6.32%

Conclusion

Even though my claymore only converts 33% of its damage to lightning, level 3 elemental weaknesses seem dreadfully weak. Especially when you think about the fact that they are there to balance substantial offensive bonuses like level 3 eq recovery.

Yes. They do nothing. As such, being a completely unbiased non-Mugwump, all racial disadvantages for Mugwumpi should be removed and my their increased to 25. I don't have a log, but I used to take around 900 damage from an Aquamancer as a Viscanti, now I'm taking 1400 and 1500 damage. That's a fair bit when you only have 2200 health.

I thought maxhp factored into damage as well?

If runes have been downgraded that much, I'm dissappointed. My poor mace...

Edit: Deleted because I wasn't wearing my damn great robes.

Didn't you tell me that you had Inept Resilience? Your armour is also weaker than Marsu.

maxhp factors in. Need to find someone with as close to identical health as possibile to Marsu to get an accurate reading.

Yerp. Afterwards. Heh.

Pah. Meant to edit, not quote. Still. That'd have been my edit.

You swing the lightning fang of the dark dragon at Kalahar. You cut his left leg, striking a major artery which splurts blood in all directions.
4920h, 3198m, 2904e, 10p elr-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4920h, 3198m, 2904e, 10p elrx-
You glance over Kalahar and see that his health is at 428/2048.
4920h, 3198m, 2904e, 10p lrx-
You have recovered equilibrium.
4920h, 3198m, 2904e, 10p elrx-chant puella kalahar
You chant the ritual of Puella while focusing your mind on Kalahar.
4920h, 3063m, 2904e, 10p lrx-
Kalahar tells you, "Did about 1500 with heavy bleeding."

He's a viscanti with level one cutting defense, using Yrael's 12/12 robes, and inept Resilience.

So, 500 of that damage was lightning, right? Kinda sorta? So, to Yrael, that 500 damage was 900, right? Seems like the elemental weakness really hurts.

I copped about 500 extra, then, give or take 10 or so.

Ugh. Ninjaed by Shorlen.

Have to use targets with the same maxhp range, 1000hp difference like in the test is too much.

The cutting defense also played a role, and it was also really impromptu. Though I don't know the state of Yrael or Kalahar's defenses. So I will probably do a more thorough test later.

You need a targets with identical max HP and also wearing identical armour (or none at all). You also need to make sure the target did not do a partial parry, which lessons the damage. Also, a rune only modifies a portion of the damage. The amount that is made worse by racial disadvantages would be best exemplified by an attack with 100% pure damage type.

Wish I had access to all of that. I just tried to find to nearly matches test subjects and failed. Hopefully, I'll have better luck later. Also there is no way for me to attack someone with a pure lightning or fire attack. I'm just really interested how big a disadvantage the elemental weaknesses actually are.

This is not true if the particular test is intended to show the relation between elemental runes and racial weaknesses. You know, the runes that were downgraded because they were 'doing too much damage?' I think if it were properly shown that, in a situation where you're only getting 33% conversion, the difference even against a level 3 weak player would either indicate 1)The downgrade to runes was unnecessary/overdone, or 2)buying elemental runes is a waste of credits.

I understand that seeing the most pure form of the weakness would require a 100% type attack. But I don't think that was what Daevos claimed he was testing.

Inept resilence + no armor = no physical protection. No special defs = no elemental resistance. So, an attack that deals 1,000 cutting and 500 lightning damage to someone with 2,000 health would deal... 1,500 damage to someone with 2,000 health and with no armor or defences. Elemental runes are supposed to be worthless against those with no physical resistance. :confused:

Well, Olan, the elemental runes were mainly downgraded because of the lightning runes which were the only useful ones for significantly increasing damage. And my curiosity was in fact sparked in large part because of artifact runes. Since I recently put a fire rune on one of my swords for two reasons. One to go with a customization idea that I had, and Two for use against races that had fire weaknesses like Orclach and Aslaran. Unfortunately though, my preliminary tests showed a actual decrease in offense with that one rune. Which has made me start to reconsider placing a second fire rune on the sword. I think the damage decrease though can mainly be contributed to the sizeable defenses against fire, and maybe because the elemental disadvantage isn't that much of a weakness.

Yeah, wouldn't fighting a person with proofed robes actually weaken someone with elemental runes?