From what I heard, people have complain about this for awhile and they have ever right to do so. It's insane, when you have to give Ladantine 200 fishes to destroy Marilynth, when they can kill Ladantine at any time! Can the number of fishes be reduced to like 70 please????

edit: Allow us to kill Marilynth, or please let Ladantine be unkillerable and they have to do a quest to kill him like we have to do!

Err.. Shiro, for all the years you were a Celestian, you should know this.

First. It is balanced. They need to collect a minimum of 153 squid, 51 in each section. This is the FIRST place Magnagora can screw them up. Giving squid to Ladantine. Not only slowing them, but effectively HURTING their numbers of golden squid. As well, Celest can only kill Ladantine to stop him from weakening Marilynth. Magnagora can kill Lanikai, the Sea Horse, or Roberto the Giant Clam.

Secondly, Marilynth and Ladantine are both invincible. When Ladantine has raised the Ship of the Dead, he cannot be killed. That was the FEAR of the Horn of Urlach, it would make Undead unkillable, if my memory serves. Celest, once they gather the 153 squid, do the quest, and get the Pearl of Power, they then place it in the Spire. This weakens Ladantine, so they can kill him. After a time, he becomes invulnerable again.

I agree that they have just a hard time, but they can easily kill Ladantine right now and we have to spend hours on killing Marilynth.

edit: Also, when Ladantine is first raised he can be easily killed and they can also stop us from raising him faster then we can stop them. Marilynth on the other hand, is immortal until we give Ladantine a large number of devil fish to kill her.

I don't think balance here is exactly the issue. The issue is the fact that the quest, for both sides, is ridiculously dull. You kill X amount of whatever you have to kill, and then you sit there and wait. I don't mind guarding Ladantine or killing stuff as long as there is a steady supply of them. It's really boring to run around the sea waiting for the stuff to respawn.

It only took me 2 hours to fill the spire with squid, the quests are no where balanced. Ladantine should either be unkillerable, and Celest needs to empower Marilynth to kill him, or we should be allow to kill Mari right off the bat like they can with Ladantine

It seems unbalanced because you can gather squid and fill the spire before you actually raise Marilynth - the way I understand it, there is a period of time prior to the raising of Marilynth and the actual SONG that she is vulnerable.

And, raising Ladantine is much easier than raising Marilynth. A few astral corpses fills the blob up, while I am told (I have never witnessed this, myself) that raising Marilynth requires several repops of lantern fish.

I'm not speaking about raising, or the overall quests Kalo. I'm speaking about how Ladantine is easily killed when he is first raised, and Mari can't be killed unless you do a hard quest.

Read it, Shiro. There is, unless I'm mistaken, a period of time when Marilynth is actually, gasp, weak. That is, before the Song starts.

EDIT: And you can't look at just ONE tiny tiny piece of the quest, and say it's unbalanced. If that was the case, Celest is at a disadvantage - they have to guard three mobs, one of which roams, while Magnagora has to only defend one. This was not always the case. Magnagora used to have to defend three. Can we move it back to that? Make them require the use of the Ebonglom Wyrm and Rowena?

And can we make the Ebonglom eat guards stationed there? And make sure he's still killable?

They can kill all the squids, steal the black pearl, kill Ladnatine when he is raised! from what everyone told me, the only person who can kill Marilyth is Ladantine and that's the unbalanced part. What's wrong with Ladantine being unkillerable and you guys have to do a quest to kill him, or leting us kill Marilyth?

edit: Also, why not reduce the number of required devil fishes to somewhere around 70?

Idiots. Please don't talk about quests if you have no clue how they work.

You CANNOT KILL LADANTINE immediately after the ship is raised.
You CANNOT KILL MARILYNTH immediately after she is raised.

To kill Ladantine, YOU MUST FIRST FILL THE SPIRE WITH SQUID. (I believe the spire resets to 0 squid when he is raised, also.)
To kill Marilynth, YOU MUST FIRST GIVE LADANTINE FISH.

So... looks fine to me.

How many times must I say this, YOU CAN KILL LADANTINE BEFORE HIS SHIP IS RAISED!

Duh. Just like you can kill Lanikai before Marilynth is raised. So how's that unbalanced?

(Your post made it sound like you were talking about killing Ladantine after his ship was raised.)

Sorry, I will go into more detail this time and explain what my complaints are.

When you first raise Ladantine, he is killerable until you raise him into his ship. Celestians can attack Ladantine at anytime, and kill him very easily when there are few Magnagora's around. With Marilyth, you have to deliver 150-200 fish to kill her and thus makes it unbalanced for Ladantine being an easy target. My ideas are; Let Ladantine be unkillerable and celestians have to do a quest to empower her, let us kill Marilyth and make it fair, and reduce the number of devil fishes around 70.

PRECISELY!

I am SO glad we agree on this. Jesus.

Now, Shiro, take a hint from my fortune cookie. "If you judge people, you have no time to love them."

Changed my post, Kalo

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The object of the quests is to either raise Marilynth or raise Ladantine's ship, right? Before the quest has been accomplished, you can kill Lanikai to hinder the raising of Marilynth, or you can kill Ladantine to hinder the raising of the ship. After the quest has been accomplished, you have to drop a whole bunch of fish to kill Marilynth or a whole bunch of squid to kill Ladantine/sink the ship.

Killing Ladantine before the ship is raised (because having Ladantine is not the goal of the quest, he's just someone who helps you with the quest) is comparable to killing Lanikai (as having her is not the goal of the quest, she's just someone who helps you with the quest), who is just as easy to kill.

Make sense now?

Yes

Just out of curioisity, what does it take to get Lanikai back?

Time. Quite a bit of it.

How hard is the quest to get Ladantine back?