After our IG strategy and plan finally starts to work, and we have hopes of accomplishing our goals, Apparent whining on the forums have cause Estarra to change the rules AGAIN and completely screw over Glomdoring turning this into a battle of not Serenwilde vs Glomdoring or Moon vs Night, but rather Narsrim vs Ethelon.

I'm sure the gods intended it to be just that.

To be honest, I don't believe Ethelon has ever successfully raided Ethereal Serenwilde. In any case, if you nasties in Glomdoring capture the Fae before Serenwilde, you are good to go.

The entire point of this change was to reduce conflict, and I feel it will do so. If you are trying to argue that Glomdoring is any worse off than before, I remind you that prior to this change you had -ZERO- Daughters of Night and there were no shadowbound Fae in Ethereal Glomdoring. That has not changed. It just means that I won't have to raid as often and nor will anyone have to slave over Ethereal Serenwilde every single second looking to raid or protect.

To quote a Serenwilder's response to this change:



So, yeah, perhaps we should all stop whining about how every change is aimed to help the other side?

Edit: Language rules apply even when quoting other people. -Richter

Heh, to coddle US? The only reason these changes were made is a large pile of whining posts infesting these forums. The majority of them were not from Glomdoring. We were doing just fine when we could kill the fae, we were collecting some champions, Narsrim even died raiding us.

All of these most recent changes have made things easier for YOU, not us. The conflict wasn't really overbearable for most of us, as it wasn't a 24/7 thing, we just were involved when we felt like it (and during the late time of the day when Narsrim shows up). It was all of you who had to sit in Faethorn permanently, not us. So please.

Before this thread degenerates into the usual slinging of insults, I'd like to try and clarify something.

First off, I don't know what to think of the recent changes. I have no idea how it will impact Faethorn, and I believe time will take care of that for me on its own.

The point that Deas was making, if I'm not mistaken, was not so much about the change itself, but more that there was yet another change... so many, so quickly, from the IC standpoint of Glomdoring, it presents another whole set of difficulties.

You see, not all of us are whining. Some of us are working quite hard to adjust and adapt. HOURS have been spent investigating, expirimenting, puzzling through the way things work, every time there is a change. We are the underdogs to begin with---we are not unaccustomed to obstacles, but the hours spend seem quite a waste, if you consider how often our strategy has needed to change in the last RL month. From an OOC perspective, I hope everyone can see how frustrating that might be. Some of us are really -trying-...it's incredibly daunting to see how much time and energy was wasted.

I am sure Esterra is as tired of this conflict as we all are. I presume a new set of changes will be needed soon enough....I think history shows it's to be expected. I hope the next round might actually involve a meeting of the minds. The forums, though a means of communication, clearly isn't the best method of reasing a mutually agreeable solution. Perhaps if commune leaders were sat down with the powers that be, once and for all, something could be done that would truly fix what appears to be a struggle for equity.

Narsrim has always had the chance to die raiding. That goes with the job. It has nothing to do with these recent changes. Furthermore, if you define "good" as cowering in a geomancer demesne while Glomdoring mulches saplings so Kaervas can taint, I really don't know what to say except why not just go ahead and quit Glomdoring and join Magnagora? And by collecting champions, if you mean 2 at a time... well, I think the point is already revealed.

When Faethorn was reset, Glomdoring lost zero Daughters of Night. That was because you didn't have any. Serenwilde, however, lost 20 Ladies of Silvery Light, which we spend about 10 hours straight slaving over to restore. Then our Ladies got relocated to Faethorn where we could not shield them with totems and guards. I imagine some Daughters of Night may do this too... but no has ever been sure because Glomdoring has never had enough to test. End result, Serenwilde was "more" screwed than Glomdoring with this change.

However, the point is that both sides complained that there was too much constant, unending conflict. A lot of these complaints were from Glomdoring as you will note if you return to the threads and read the posts. So please.

You will note that Faethorn is *neutral* at the moment and where are our Silver Ladies... still in Faethorn? I mean seriously, what more could Glomdoring want?

I would like the Ladies to stay out of Faethorn now that it's harder to summon them...

And why? A few ladies stay in Ethereal Serenwilde, right? But the champions are supposed to be influencing Maeve, so it makes perfect sense for them to venture into Faethorn in an attempt to influence her (though maybe only as the battle itself approaches). However, there is NO reason to change Faethorn once again, there have been plenty of modifications at this point.

When Ladies in Faethorn die, Ladies in Serenwilde enter Faethorn to replace them. In essence, all of them are unprotected by guards/totems.

Learn the quest. The Ladies have nothing to do with influencing Maeve, that's what the scepter does. The Ladies were placed in Faethorn to protect the Fae there... but there are no Fae there now (primarily), thus the Ladies purpose are a bit misplaced. I vote they follow the bulk of the Fae.

And yes, if there is a problem with the change it should be changed as soon as possible.

Ah, so the ladies do not fight over Faethorn. They do not cause the scepter to be broken if they lose. They do not have to win for Maeve to allow one side to craft Her the scepter.

Hm, I apologize, they don't even do anything at all except sit there and look pretty, so it shouldn't even matter if they die.

Going back on what you said, the fact that the Ladies/Daughters are in Faethorn itself is a change and it wouldn't matter if the change was unchanged? (for lack of a better word)

I still stand by the hope that the Ladies can be offered some more protection. All it takes is one good raid with Magnagora to clear out every single Lady and you don't even have to step into the Etherwilde. Same with Serenwilde and Daughters if Glomdoring ever raises any.

Sure. As long as all the other changes go with it, there's not a problem. Scrap 'em all!

Otherwise, just leave things be until we actually know how things are going to work.

The Ladies fight an initial battle that gives the Moondancers and Serenwilde the opportunity to restore the scepter to Maeve. Outside of this battle, they are charged as the champions of Mother Moon to protect Her followers, which primarily constitute the Fae. The Fae are now primarily located in Ethereal Serenwilde, thus they are not serving their primary function of protecting.

Furthermore, the scepter can break regardless if the Ladies win (as it just did) so that argument is irrelevant as to why they should remain in Faethorn. And yes, they do not win for Maeve. They fight for Mother Moon, whose presence is in Ethereal Serenwilde.

And umm, wrong. They MUST win for your side for your to do the quest. You don't know the quest, do you?

I think you become bitter about Faethorn since you cannot do the work of Serenwilde in minutes that literally takes us days. With your pitiful work ethic, I don't expect Glomdoring to ever have much of a chance.

I'm fairly certain Glomdoring will team up with Magnagora again for another hour long Faethorn raid and decimate the Ladies at some point in time with Serenwilde incapable of doing anything. I for one will be rather angry if we have to regather the fae which repop very slowly now. It took about 10 hours to do it before the change. It'll take more than a month I'm guessing to restore the Ladies again.

EDIT: And this is the best case scenario in that Serenwilde gets every single fae and Glomdoring leaves everything alone.

Riiight, I haven't spent days working in Faethorn either. However, when I work there, I have to actually fight my way through Serens, which (obviously) makes it a little more difficult than your novices traipsing merrily about. The only thing that has me bitter is that the administration first forced us to be mortal enemies, and then tries to back off on that every time we slowly start getting things right. And yet we are still enemies, so Glomdoring is *STILL FORCED* to fight through Faethorn to collect fae even peacefully.

You're right about the slight bitterness, but wrong about the cause.

Well, one adjustment to the location of the Ladies/Daughters and it'll complement the recent change to the fae. That's all I'd like to ask.