*gasp* You finally understand what Glomdoring IS. Good boy.

Jairdan, you have to realize that they are 3 active players maximum who really make a difference and want to embrace Viravain's views. Everyone else doesn't. It isn't that they don't want to "work for it" and want to "hang out with their buddies", it's that these ideas are Viravain's alone and it has been said multiple times that the Elder Gods are not flawless. Their ideals and such are meant to be regarded more like guidelines than rules in regards to roleplaying. Yes, it was a neat idea that was "outside of the box", but when Viravain abandoned her forest for years, there's no way she could expect that all of her ideals would stay in tact and everything would be exactly the way she left it ready to accept her rule again. Like I said before, shades of grey = disagreement, which pretty much leads to civil war. An origanization has to have a strong set of ideals and a goal for themselves before they actually can even BE an organization. Right now Glomdoring is more like a cluster of people that have the same skills and live in the same spot.

Sounds to me like all the people arguing here are just over simplifying everything. If you can't see shades of grey in the words of players in an OOC manner, how are you going to expect charachters to see shades of grey.

That's ridiculous. The culture of any organization is made of what the players make of it. The same outrageous attitude you have applied to Glomdoring not fitting your personal idea of how it should be can just as easily be turned around: "Serenwilde is allied with Celest, a city! Serenwilde is supposed to hate cities! Your RP is WRONG!"

If everyone in Glomdoring, or large enough group to affect the actual culture of the place, wants to disagree with Viravain because they feel it will improve the commune as a whole, I don't think it's appropriate for you to tell them they are "roleplaying wrong" in a derogatory and inflammatory fashion. They can roleplay however they want, as long as they're willing to accept the effects of that roleplay.



Again, you're trying to rely on some sort of static and controlled environment instead of a dynamic one. Marsu has clearly made an impact in Glomdoring, and as it is a democratic election, it isn't up to you to say he shouldn't be Seneschal, or doesn't pass some sort of "IC standard" for his position. Simply because Marsu has allies in power that may or may not be trying to help him (I don't know enough about power politics in Glomdoring to comment), doesn't mean that it's not valid roleplay. Just look at the real world: a lot of people who haven't done a whole lot have gotten into positions of power on their charisma or friends alone, it isn't uncommon. (I'm not saying that you're correct in assuming Marsu has done nothing either. I enjoyed having Marsu in my guild while he was here, and always found him to be helpful and involved. I don't doubt he's the same in Glomdoring)

*gasp* But it's -you- who's denying them the right to see Glomdoring their own way and act upon it. Bad boy.

EDIT: I already ate my portion of cookies for today. But thanks anyway.

There is nothing wrong with Glomdoring accepting the Taint. The stance of "we don't CARE about the Taint, but we know we are it, so if we make it public that we're not being stupid about it anymore we might bring in people who would be truly interested in our ways but don't want to deal with this ridiculous facade thing we have going on now" is valid, and acceptable.

According to the scroll the commune has about Crow, it sounds like one lesson of Crow is denying reality. I don't know why members of Glomdoring would want to take that option away from people.

(note, this is in responce to a tone I got from Shiri's post, not anything Ethelon said)

That's sort of what throws a wrench in the whole 'tainted glom' ideal. Crow has a deep belief in not looking at what the facts are and, instead, says you should write your own history.

Thus it's not just the idea that the commune 'doesn't care', it's the fact that they don't accept the facts, not because they are wrong but because they would rather believe in something else. You can say it's them deciding their own fate, or maybe thinking of the Glomdoring way as a religious belief (based on faith, which is a belief in something that can't be 'proven').

So, if the folks of Glomdoring want to accept the facts, they can, but then they will find a VERY angry Crow and Vivi. It's proper RP for a group to break away from their old beliefs (jeesh how many times has that happened IRL, and for less reasons?). However, it's also proper RP for Crow and Viv to get very angry for "Glomdoring to lose it's identity" and do Very Bad Things to the commune.

After that, you have to ask yourself this: what IS the point of Glomdoring then? Mag is about change via Taint. Celest is about 'Light', power, and anti-taint. Seren is about Spirits and Fae.

So you can pull Glom away from "We are mighty because we say so" but what will you replace it with?

Of course I've never shyed too far from the idea of a nation being able to die if the situation came to be.

We will make our own identity. In the end, the Glomdoring is a player run organization.

As it stands, Viravain ejecting leaders who devoted time to repairing something that was so utterly broken, on the basis of her, uh, beliefs, is the road to Ilaferidom.

So, what's my fine in Celest and the Serenwilde again?

I really feel bad for Viravain. Never has a rather awesome Goddess been so degraded for being... awesome. Poor Viravain.

What Glomdoring is after really though is a new patron who is lazy and does nothing. Glomdoring can trample all over everything, declare the Star of Celest a Vernal God, and setup shrine... so this new patron can be like, "Wtf do I care, boring."

One million dollars!

Ash wanted to get Etanru unenemied to Serenwilde, but nooo...he goes and raids Faethorn the next day...

It is Her Forest. Upon joining the Glomdoring you pledged loyalty to guess who... Viravain.. Heaven forbid you actually have to follow Her beliefs as well.


Viravain booted the one who broke it not the one who was trying to fix it.


Look at the first leaders of the guilds.. what is the one thing the all tried to push ... non tainted Glomdoring.. maybe there was a reason for that

Yeah, there was.

That being that She appointed them, I think.

No Slip Sherlock thats what I was saying

Uh, I haven't been on/had time to raid Faethorn. I'm too busy getting bombarded by bitchy letters and messages.

Well, the written RP says one thing, the players are all edging towards the winning side which is saying another thing.. it can't be too easy to balance things you know.



See, Glomdoring needs to show its strength without having the help of Magnagora around. That /won't/ happen. Magnagora is just too strong a force, and Glomdoring didn't reach the critical threshold needed to hold onto those interested and strong players.

Bout the only thing stopping me creating a Glomdoring character and enjoying the RP is that (a) to become strong I'd have to "find" 2000 cr to trans the useful shiz and ( the shadow of "we need magnagora's help" is just too damned powerful.

It really does seem like the whole thing has backfired somewhat. I really wonder whether the realm is ever going to pick up out of its current "magnagora kicks ass" steady state for any appreciable amount of time.

Oh, I thought you were trying to imply that there was a good reason for this belief system, and that's why these leaders were trying to push it, not simply "they were told to so they did it."

Hrm...when I asked about it, several guys on SEG told me that you raided together with Ethelon...

Keep digging Watson.