It hurts it about as much as your idiotic flame threads and uneducated rambles on the forums help it.

ok, so then you agree there's no problem with blocking moonbeaming in manses.

No, I think there would be a problem. Just peace them all and then you'll have no worries!

Heh, thank you, you actually gave me an idea. Make an investible SANCTUARY permission for manses. Would be just like Sanctuary for influencing, but for your manse, and no power cost.

Err, give it a 10 power cost, and all your mana. As well, if you move, you lose all your power, all your mana.

And if the word 'sex', 'orgasm' or 'moan' is involved, it auto-drops it, and flings you to the nexus of a city/commune you're enemied to.

- Make moonbeam unable to cross manses.
- Make manse statues enchantable.
- Make limited terrain choices available (aethercity, aetherforest/aetherdarkforest).
- Fix permissions.
- Create some 'security' room upgrades.
- Make manse owner + allies conglut to fulcrux

EWW. If you remove moonbeam, no enchanting statues. Aetherterrain has been shot down 10000000000 times. Permissions work, do them correctly. Conglute? No. Trans planar. You'll conglute.

And making moonbeam not inter-manse has been ignored 10000000000 times. Doesn't mean its not valid.


Someone needs to show me what commands I should use then. I want to have:

(is elryn OR is familyperson1 OR is familyperson2 OR ...) OR (is not magnagora AND is not glomdoring)

The only way I have achieved this so far is to allow all shadowdancers into my manse so that I don't block Jasper.


I believe this has been fixed to be the case so you now conglute from the aetherways, but I believe since the manse is the 'home' of the owner, conglutination is justified in allowing them to defend freely and be highly advantaged in the case of raids.

I'm not overly sure on Manse commands, but Gwylifar has sworn up and down they work, and I believe him.

As to conglute, if you block moonbeam, there's really no way to get there, so why bother with coding in conglute?

Aetherterrain has been shot down for reasons beyond just ignoring it. They don't want it, it's not happening. Just give it up, is the bluntest way i can put it.

Gwylifar already said that he didn't think what I want to do is possible with permissions. Hence, my comment to fix them.

The fact that some manses function as shops means that many are going to accept strangers by default. Thus, saying there is 'no way in' anymore is misleading. That applies only to private family manses. Think of other examples such as Richter's.

I feel aetherterrain is important for those of us who can only function properly in certain environments. I've also not suggested simple 'forest', 'freshwater' etc like I have previously, but rather a new aetherterrain. It is a balanced addition that would improve manses, and no amount of 'sorry, we just don't want to' is going to change my opinion on that. I don't expect it to be implemented, but it is still a good idea (and popular).

I know its easy to shoot your mouth off without thinking about things, but try. I've had a manse for quite a while now, I think I've had a chance to ponder their functions, just like all other manse owners.

Manse perms work.

However, they should stop people from coming in by -any- means. Setting perms against someone should mean they cannot moonbeam in either.

And I think that until you've had someone come into your manse, icewall you in, and kill you, just for being an enemy to their organization, you've got no room to say anything against added security.

I'd be happy if anyone can show me the perms I should enter.

I agree, you shouldn't be able to enter a manse at all if you are not
on the permission lists

They do work, but there isn't a way to do a double-except which is what you'd need to do precisely what you wanted. It's just a limitation of the language. But what it can do, does work.

Find me in-game.

Could you just pm me what you think the permissions would be? It's not exactly an in-character thing.

I can't remember how I did it. I'd have to look at what I have set, cross-check the helpfile, and then tell you how to work them.

Since I'm at work, I can't get on Lusternia, and the website is blocked.

So, no.

What he's doing isn't quite what you're doing anyway, Richter. If you do find a way to do what he wants, I'd really like to see it.