I really should've added this to the "Influencing and Stuff" thread, but oh well. Since influencing produces neither essence or karma I'd like to propose a new influencing type called Dogma (Or something with religious connotations) that temporarily converts the target's strength into essence for the Divine in question.

EX:

INFLUENCE WITH PIETY FOR
Ego Battle: Dogma
Those that surround you are like lost sheep and only your words can sway them. Though a bit difficult, I'm sure with a little push they'll be eating out of your hand.

INFLUENCE WITH EVANGELISM FOR
Ego Battle: Dogma
Breaking the bonds of another's faith can be taxing, but luckily for you a few choice words can easily sway even the most devout of foes.

INFLUENCE WITH DIVINATION FOR
Ego Battle: Dogma
By using tales of the Past, Present, and Future of the Gods are you truly able to convert the heretical masses. Feel free to stretch the truth a bit!

Alternatives should be equal. That or all ego battles should store an amount of essence that can only be released at a shrine in some form (Prayer.. something.)

I made a thread on this long time ago.. I will have to try and find it.

http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.p...owtopic=389&hl=

This? Reading it nooooow.

OMG You found it! I couldn't find it anywhere and I thought maybe I had just imagined making a thread on this.

Yeah, sorry for not searching earlier. If mods can merge the two threads it'd be perfect since it was Ialie's idea first.

I think the best thing to do is give the denizens an item called tithe, that can be collected by by INFLEUNCING MOB with PROSELYTISM

The item.. if you get one can then be offered at any shrine.

We have actually been thinking about different ways in which influencing could affect essence and karma recently, these are similar to some of the ideas we bounced around.

Others were some way to make the mob pray at a shrine, or that you gradually gain piety as you influence and become stronger in your self-knowledge until you are able to pray at a shrine yourself. Thoughts?

Love that idea!

Perfect! Allows me to influence the way I want and gain essence/karma too.

Instead of all the pilgrims that want to go to Avencha's peak, make some of them want to go to any shrine or a specific one, or maybe you have to influence them to get to a specific shrine.

They're pilgrims, right? It would add more variety to the "pilgrim trains" we see.

Last I heard, essence doesn't even matter too much. With so many people who bash and offer, any influence on the flow would have to be pretty severe for it to affect anything.

That's not really the point, it would be another way for the followers of a God to show their devotion, and a cool religious thing.

I agree wholeheartedly.


I am looking forward to this. Thank you Lisaera.

It would be interesting to first influence the mob for essence and then kill and offer it for essence...

Perhaps make it impossible to harm one you have influenced for your god? For example:

INFLUENCE ASLARAN WITH DIVINATION FOR FAIN

Blah, blah, blah, influence message.

An aslaran village falls onto his knees in worship of Fain, of the Red Masque.

NATURE CURSE ASLARAN

As you bring your athame dagger close to an aslaran villager, your heart fills with religious fervor and you lower your attack.

NATURE CURSE ASLARAN
You point your nature talisman at an aslaran, and as you thrust it forwards,
a glowing light appears around the aslaran's head, and you back off, in awe.

Some people, albeit a small number, don't bash via curse/blast/etc and I'd hate for somebody who omnitransed just for the hell of it to start using influence just for extra essence.

I don't know how you could solve the issue though other than just draining the essence from the person.. meh. As long as influence doesn't become some added extra for people and not the alternative it was made to be.

Whee.. now I feel discouraged for some reason.

Maybe, have it, so that when the Mob dies, their body releases it's essence to the God. (Note: Not essence up, just no corpse)

Maybe.

Whaaa? It isn't a bump!

Might as well just kill it and offer it then.