Unknown2005-08-30 13:27:18
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Aug 30 2005, 02:59 PM)
So what we really need now that I haven't seen anyone address is, was there some way that Amaru could have escaped, if he had some skill he doesn't have, or had reacted a different way than he did, or if one of his companions had done something differently than they did? If there really is no answer to that, then this combo needs adjustment. If there is an answer, but it's very hard, not available to everyone, etc., then we're fine.
175879
Amaru specifically could trueheal. Even if it doesn't cure crucifiction, it cures all broken limbs, restores balance to writhe, gives prismatic barrier.
Amaru2005-08-30 13:28:24
Every time you say cheap, a huge STFU icon floats across my vision. If you can't escape anything/trueheal/soulless it's your healing which is at fault.
Soll2005-08-30 13:28:36
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 01:25 PM)
Also, hiner/trueheal/soulless is also very very very very very CHEAP not to mention you have a damn blackout pet that hits before your angel effectivly masking every angel afliction you give plus a good length blackout. Not being offensive but dude you have to lose the treuheal offense combo.
175897
Yeah. If you're going to stop three trans people from killing you unavoidably, then be real and suggest that offensive trueheal be looked in to. It's almost as unavoidable.
Murphy2005-08-30 13:28:44
QUOTE(Soll @ Aug 30 2005, 11:27 PM)
Go mugwump, all.
175898
erm, it takes longer for each limb you heal try doing it with broken limbs
Unknown2005-08-30 13:29:15
QUOTE(Soll @ Aug 30 2005, 03:27 PM)
Go mugwump, all.
175898
All limbs? If so, nice!
Soll2005-08-30 13:29:16
Murphy2005-08-30 13:30:50
QUOTE(Amaru @ Aug 30 2005, 11:28 PM)
Every time you say cheap, a huge STFU icon floats across my vision. If you can't escape anything/trueheal/soulless it's your healing which is at fault.
175900
Oh, and its my healing at fault if you do it right after your pet hit with blackout masking your angels afflictions, which i can't see and i get webbed, but i find out too late because of blackout?
Cmon, you have the easiest set of instakills in the game paried with that damn blackout pet.
Amaru2005-08-30 13:33:15
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 02:30 PM)
Oh, and its my healing at fault if you do it right after your pet hit with blackout masking your angels afflictions, which i can't see and i get webbed, but i find out too late because of blackout?
Cmon, you have the easiest set of instakills in the game paried with that damn blackout pet.
Cmon, you have the easiest set of instakills in the game paried with that damn blackout pet.
175906
To disprove your one example, there's nothing my angel can give you (I assume you mean) while you're stunned which will stop you from tumbling once the stun ends.
I would be willing to look into trueheal having a minor equilibrium cost, if you feel offensive trueheal is unavoidable. Though I will continue to dispute that.
Unknown2005-08-30 13:34:56
QUOTE
4269h, 4512m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17944w ex- <15:38:57.030> diagnose
You are:
afflicted by a crippled right arm.
afflicted by a crippled left arm.
afflicted by a crippled right leg.
afflicted by a crippled left leg.
4269h, 4512m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17956w x- <15:38:59.965>
*** You have recovered equilibrium. ***
4269h, 4512m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17956w ex-restore
Energy wreathes itself about your body to heal your limbs.
The bones in your left leg mend.
The bones in your right leg mend.
The bones in your left arm mend.
The bones in your right arm mend.
4269h, 4112m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17888w x- <15:39:03.510>
*** You have recovered equilibrium. ***
4269h, 4202m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17924w ex- <15:39:16.028>
You are:
afflicted by a crippled right arm.
afflicted by a crippled left arm.
afflicted by a crippled right leg.
afflicted by a crippled left leg.
4269h, 4512m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17956w x- <15:38:59.965>
*** You have recovered equilibrium. ***
4269h, 4512m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17956w ex-restore
Energy wreathes itself about your body to heal your limbs.
The bones in your left leg mend.
The bones in your right leg mend.
The bones in your left arm mend.
The bones in your right arm mend.
4269h, 4112m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17888w x- <15:39:03.510>
*** You have recovered equilibrium. ***
4269h, 4202m, 3783e, 10p, 20245en, 17924w ex- <15:39:16.028>
That makes it like 13 seconds. No eq modifiers.
Murphy2005-08-30 13:37:03
why not to just agree not to use it offensively without having to have the admins code something to stop it?
If you give me blackout, then your angel hits with stupid/paralyse, and a moment later you shieldstun/web trueheall soulless, i miss the soulless due to blackout and usually i am trying to get out of paralyse before the blackout goes away.
In short
1. Your blackout pet (and the nihilist one) needs to lose blackout, and patchou needs to lose aeon to balance them out against the rest of the population AND the other classes' champion arties.
2. trueheal be given a 2-3 second EQ to stop its offensive use
If you give me blackout, then your angel hits with stupid/paralyse, and a moment later you shieldstun/web trueheall soulless, i miss the soulless due to blackout and usually i am trying to get out of paralyse before the blackout goes away.
In short
1. Your blackout pet (and the nihilist one) needs to lose blackout, and patchou needs to lose aeon to balance them out against the rest of the population AND the other classes' champion arties.
2. trueheal be given a 2-3 second EQ to stop its offensive use
Nayl2005-08-30 13:41:25
Hmmm...
I'm going to collect all of the information possible on the Champion Artifacts, and see if I can't figure out a way to balance them.
I'm probably going to get flamed for it, but y'know, worth a shot.
I'm going to collect all of the information possible on the Champion Artifacts, and see if I can't figure out a way to balance them.
I'm probably going to get flamed for it, but y'know, worth a shot.
Soll2005-08-30 13:41:27
I don't think the Nil Grim gives blackout.
Nayl2005-08-30 13:41:37
He does.
Ceres2005-08-30 13:42:29
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 01:37 PM)
why not to just agree not to use it offensively without having to have the admins code something to stop it?
If you give me blackout, then your angel hits with stupid/paralyse, and a moment later you shieldstun/web trueheall soulless, i miss the soulless due to blackout and usually i am trying to get out of paralyse before the blackout goes away.
In short
1. Your blackout pet (and the nihilist one) needs to lose blackout, and patchou needs to lose aeon to balance them out against the rest of the population AND the other classes' champion arties.
2. trueheal be given a 2-3 second EQ to stop its offensive use
If you give me blackout, then your angel hits with stupid/paralyse, and a moment later you shieldstun/web trueheall soulless, i miss the soulless due to blackout and usually i am trying to get out of paralyse before the blackout goes away.
In short
1. Your blackout pet (and the nihilist one) needs to lose blackout, and patchou needs to lose aeon to balance them out against the rest of the population AND the other classes' champion arties.
2. trueheal be given a 2-3 second EQ to stop its offensive use
175912
Patchou is fine, trueheal is fine.
Just make soulless cost 1 power to fling.
Amaru2005-08-30 13:43:06
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
why not to just agree not to use it offensively without having to have the admins code something to stop it?
175912
Because it's the most reliable way to kill someone.
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
If you give me blackout, then your angel hits with stupid/paralyse, and a moment later you shieldstun/web trueheall soulless, i miss the soulless due to blackout and usually i am trying to get out of paralyse before the blackout goes away.
175912
First, you should have already cured the blackout with allheale, or shielded once blacked out if your allheale balance was off. Secondly, my angel shouldn't still have wrath because you should have shieldstunned or webbed me until wrath ran out as soon as I ordered my angel to attack, which would probably be before I got the implied 7 Soulless rubs.
I despise answering queries like this, because in 90% of cases, it's somebody with no imagination complaining about something really easy to avoid. No offence Murphs, but try and think it through first?
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
1. Your blackout pet (and the nihilist one) needs to lose blackout, and patchou needs to lose aeon to balance them out against the rest of the population AND the other classes' champion arties.
175912
It's already been mentioned by the Powers that our Champion artifacts aren't supposed to be equivalent to yours. Dead point. Obviously the point of Champion artifacts is that they ARE better than the rest of the population.
QUOTE(Murphy @ Aug 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
2. trueheal be given a 2-3 second EQ to stop its offensive use
175912
A 1-2 second equilibrium cost in exchange for trueheal curing pinleg and crucify would be perfectly satisfactory from my perspective.
Gwylifar2005-08-30 13:43:32
QUOTE(Kashim @ Aug 30 2005, 09:27 AM)
Amaru specifically could trueheal. Even if it doesn't cure crucifiction, it cures all broken limbs, restores balance to writhe, gives prismatic barrier.
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Can anyone refute this?
Unknown2005-08-30 13:45:48
Nope, you can trueheal while crucified
Shamarah2005-08-30 13:45:54
QUOTE(Gwylifar @ Aug 30 2005, 09:43 AM)
Can anyone refute this?
175920
I don't have trueheal! What if it happens to me?
Unknown2005-08-30 13:47:00
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 30 2005, 09:45 AM)
I don't have trueheal! What if it happens to me?
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It happens like this
Amaru2005-08-30 13:47:06
You cannot trueheal while stunned, though. Even if the target did happen to have trueheal AND 10 power, if the attackers were fast, it would be unstoppable even by trueheal.